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Bug 8850 - “himself” assumes all authors are male, which is incorrect (and misogynistic). “themself” is correct.
Summary: “himself” assumes all authors are male, which is incorrect (and misogynistic)...
Status: RESOLVED WONTFIX
Alias: None
Product: HTML WG
Classification: Unclassified
Component: pre-LC1 HTML5 spec (editor: Ian Hickson) (show other bugs)
Version: unspecified
Hardware: Other other
: P3 normal
Target Milestone: LC
Assignee: Ian 'Hixie' Hickson
QA Contact: HTML WG Bugzilla archive list
URL: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/...
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Reported: 2010-01-31 19:50 UTC by contributor
Modified: 2010-10-04 13:59 UTC (History)
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Description contributor 2010-01-31 19:50:49 UTC
Section: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#unknown-images

Comment:
“himself” assumes all authors are male, which is incorrect (and
misogynistic). “themself” is correct.

Posted from: 79.71.204.28
Comment 1 Ian 'Hixie' Hickson 2010-02-14 06:30:27 UTC
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Status: Rejected
Change Description: no spec change
Rationale: The Chicago Manual of Style (13th edition, 1983, p. 233) says:

"On the one hand, it is unacceptable to a great many reasonable readers to use the generic masculine pronoun (he in reference to no one in particular). On the other hand, it is unacceptable to a great many readers either to resort to nontraditional gimmicks to avoid the generic masculine (by using he/she or s/he, for example) or to use they as a kind of singular pronoun. Either way, credibility is lost with some readers."

Currently the spec throughout uses "he", "him", "his", and "himself" as gender-neutral pronouns, as has long been standard practice in English. This is clearly not intended to be sexist — much less misogynistic! — and changing it to using the singular "they", the periphrastics "him or her", the Spivak pronouns ("ey"), the historical gender-neutral pronouns ("ou"), or the variety of other forms ("s/he", "ze", etc) would not lead to a document that was any easier to read and may in fact in many cases lead to a document that is significantly harder to read, especially for non-native readers (the majority of the target audience for this document).

I do understand the complaint, and consider it a valid issue with the English language. I do not think that the HTML5 spec is the right place to be breaking ground with regard to English grammar. Sexual equality for all genders — female, male, transgender, intersex, and the raft of other gender identities — is of great importance to me. For example, every year I volunteer at a number of FIRST events to attempt to redress the gender imbalance in our field on the long term. In my own endeavours I embrace gender identity issues; for example, the game I am currently writing offers third gender pronouns on an equal footing to male and female pronouns.

I hope this response shows how I have carefully considered the issue, and I hope the explanation for the resulting decision is understandable.