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Bug 13640 - Stable references in reference section
Summary: Stable references in reference section
Status: RESOLVED NEEDSINFO
Alias: None
Product: HTML WG
Classification: Unclassified
Component: LC1 HTML5 spec (show other bugs)
Version: unspecified
Hardware: PC Linux
: P3 normal
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: Ian 'Hixie' Hickson
QA Contact: HTML WG Bugzilla archive list
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Reported: 2011-08-03 21:11 UTC by Philippe Le Hegaret
Modified: 2011-08-05 15:30 UTC (History)
7 users (show)

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Description Philippe Le Hegaret 2011-08-03 21:11:53 UTC
The specification references many unstable drafts, some of them are editor's drafts at best that are always on the move. The specification should reference stable documents when they exist and update those references along the way.
Comment 1 Philippe Le Hegaret 2011-08-03 21:13:09 UTC
See also
 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12930
Comment 2 Anne 2011-08-03 21:33:34 UTC
Why is this a good use of our time?
Comment 3 Philippe Le Hegaret 2011-08-03 21:53:15 UTC
Unless you can point me to a different way for handling this, I don't know how else to approach it.
Comment 4 Anne 2011-08-03 21:58:27 UTC
The different way would be to handle it as we handle it now. Other than a few people from ye old guard, nobody complained.
Comment 5 Ian 'Hixie' Hickson 2011-08-03 22:00:48 UTC
EDITOR'S RESPONSE: This is an Editor's Response to your comment. If you are satisfied with this response, please change the state of this bug to CLOSED. If you have additional information and would like the editor to reconsider, please reopen this bug. If you would like to escalate the issue to the full HTML Working Group, please add the TrackerRequest keyword to this bug, and suggest title and text for the tracker issue; or you may create a tracker issue yourself, if you are able to do so. For more details, see this document:
   http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy.html

Status: Did Not Understand Request
Change Description: no spec change
Rationale: What do you mean by "unstable"?
Comment 6 Philippe Le Hegaret 2011-08-03 22:08:26 UTC
(In reply to comment #4)
> The different way would be to handle it as we handle it now. Other than a few
> people from ye old guard, nobody complained.

The current way turns the specification into a never stable document. HTML5
should have a clear definition, not a vague sense of one. As recently as last
week, I've got comments that HTML5 shouldn't be turned into an unstable
technology. So, I consider my feedback as a good use of my time at least,
especially if it leads to resolve that question once and for all.
Comment 7 Philippe Le Hegaret 2011-08-03 22:12:29 UTC
(In reply to comment #5)
> EDITOR'S RESPONSE: This is an Editor's Response to your comment. If you are
> satisfied with this response, please change the state of this bug to CLOSED. If
> you have additional information and would like the editor to reconsider, please
> reopen this bug. If you would like to escalate the issue to the full HTML
> Working Group, please add the TrackerRequest keyword to this bug, and suggest
> title and text for the tracker issue; or you may create a tracker issue
> yourself, if you are able to do so. For more details, see this document:
>    http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy.html
> 
> Status: Did Not Understand Request
> Change Description: no spec change
> Rationale: What do you mean by "unstable"?

I'm surprised that I need to spell this out, especially given the recent exchange on the Web Performance mailing list and the link to bug 12930.

Linking to an ever changing editor's draft DOES NOT give a stable reference. There is no guarantee of stability on all of the references to dev.w3.org for example.
Comment 8 Ian 'Hixie' Hickson 2011-08-03 22:36:46 UTC
You mean the discussions on the web-perf list that you never replied to?

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-perf/2011Apr/0013.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-perf/2011Jul/0090.html

What do you mean by "stable"?
Comment 9 Michael[tm] Smith 2011-08-04 05:17:16 UTC
mass-move component to LC1
Comment 10 Ian 'Hixie' Hickson 2011-08-05 15:24:43 UTC
EDITOR'S RESPONSE: This is an Editor's Response to your comment. If you are satisfied with this response, please change the state of this bug to CLOSED. If you have additional information and would like the editor to reconsider, please reopen this bug. If you would like to escalate the issue to the full HTML Working Group, please add the TrackerRequest keyword to this bug, and suggest title and text for the tracker issue; or you may create a tracker issue yourself, if you are able to do so. For more details, see this document:
   http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy.html

Status: Did Not Understand Request
Change Description: no spec change
Rationale: No new information since comment 5.
Comment 11 Julian Reschke 2011-08-05 15:30:08 UTC
I think "did not understand request" isn't entirely accurate. The request sounds pretty clear to me.