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Bug 13056 - HTML5 and RFC 2854
Summary: HTML5 and RFC 2854
Status: RESOLVED WORKSFORME
Alias: None
Product: HTML WG
Classification: Unclassified
Component: LC1 HTML5 spec (show other bugs)
Version: unspecified
Hardware: All All
: P5 trivial
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: contributor
QA Contact: HTML WG Bugzilla archive list
URL: http://www.w3.org/mid/4E04C3FB.409060...
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Reported: 2011-06-25 12:25 UTC by HTML WG bugbot
Modified: 2011-08-14 10:16 UTC (History)
9 users (show)

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Draft for informational RFC obsoleting RFC 2854. (2.64 KB, application/xml)
2011-06-27 18:10 UTC, Edward O'Connor
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Description HTML WG bugbot 2011-06-25 12:25:21 UTC
public-html-comments posting from: Mykyta Yevstifeyev <evnikita2@gmail.com>
http://www.w3.org/mid/4E04C3FB.4090603@gmail.com

Hello all,

Cross-posting this to Apps-discuss and html-comments lists.  The 
proposed HTML5 specification (http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/), which is 
currently in Last Call, in its Section 12.1 updates the registration of 
text/html media type.  I should note that we have RFC 2854 
(http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2854) which also specifies this media 
type.  Therefore the question is what should be done with this RFC.  
Should it be retired upon approval of HTML5?  Or something else?

Mykyta Yevstifeyev
Comment 1 Aryeh Gregor 2011-06-26 22:23:02 UTC
RFC 2854 is extremely incomplete and outdated.  I don't know what the proper procedures are here or who has to do them, but HTML5 should certainly be what's registered for the MIME type if the maintainers of the MIME type registry want it to be accurate.  I don't know who from the HTMLWG, if anyone, would be interested in taking the effort to see that this happens.
Comment 2 Henri Sivonen 2011-06-27 09:18:43 UTC
(In reply to comment #1)
> RFC 2854 is extremely incomplete and outdated.  I don't know what the proper
> procedures are here or who has to do them, but HTML5 should certainly be what's
> registered for the MIME type if the maintainers of the MIME type registry want
> it to be accurate.  

I guess the proper procedure would be to issue an RFC that obsoletes the old one along the lines of http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5791

> I don't know who from the HTMLWG, if anyone, would be
> interested in taking the effort to see that this happens.

CCing Julian who is one of the authors of RFC 5791.
Comment 3 Edward O'Connor 2011-06-27 18:10:43 UTC
Created attachment 1006 [details]
Draft for informational RFC obsoleting RFC 2854.

When the time comes to issue such an RFC, it will be easy enough to draft one, as RFC5791 demonstrates. I've attached such a draft, in the format accepted by xml2rfc.
Comment 4 Mykyta Yevstifeyev 2011-06-28 02:29:05 UTC
(In reply to comment #3)
> Created attachment 1006 [details]
> Draft for informational RFC obsoleting RFC 2854.
> 
> When the time comes to issue such an RFC, it will be easy enough to draft one,
> as RFC5791 demonstrates. I've attached such a draft, in the format accepted by
> xml2rfc.

A message personally to Edward was sent regarding this Internet-Draft.
Comment 5 Michael[tm] Smith 2011-08-04 05:02:22 UTC
mass-moved component to LC1
Comment 6 Anne 2011-08-14 09:38:30 UTC
It should be retired yes. Not sure whether to close this bug or not.
Comment 7 Mykyta Yevstifeyev 2011-08-14 09:44:55 UTC
(In reply to comment #6)
> It should be retired yes. Not sure whether to close this bug or not.

Well, W3C should definitely seek advice of IETF on what to do. During some discussions on apps-discuss@ietf.org list it was noted that if HTML5 defines the entity format which will be incompatible with previous versions of HTML, and, particularly, format defined in RFC 2584, the registration's update may get rejected by IESG. Please see http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/apps-discuss/current/msg02845.html. If the registration gets approved, RFC 2584 will indeed need to be deprecated.
Comment 8 Anne 2011-08-14 10:16:03 UTC
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Status: Rejected
Change Description: no spec change
Rationale: I guess we'll find out what happens. HTML as defined before never matched reality.