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Bug 12564 - This, for me is definately the way to go with text tracks. Since the text is embedded in the media file "In-Band" it means the content never gets lost. This is how we treat audio with video and is how DVD treated text too. Some devices such as iOS may not
Summary: This, for me is definately the way to go with text tracks. Since the text is ...
Status: RESOLVED WONTFIX
Alias: None
Product: HTML WG
Classification: Unclassified
Component: LC1 HTML5 spec (show other bugs)
Version: unspecified
Hardware: Other other
: P3 normal
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: Ian 'Hixie' Hickson
QA Contact: HTML WG Bugzilla archive list
URL: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/...
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Reported: 2011-04-27 15:10 UTC by contributor
Modified: 2011-08-04 05:14 UTC (History)
6 users (show)

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Description contributor 2011-04-27 15:10:39 UTC 
Specification: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/video.html
Section: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#sourcing-in-band-text-tracks

Comment:
This, for me is definately the way to go with text tracks. Since the text is
embedded in the media file "In-Band" it means the content never gets lost.
This is how we treat audio with video and is how DVD treated text too. Some
devices such as iOS may not support another layer of external text which is
another reason why this is such a great method for covering all playback
methods. At the end of the day if a user can view via browser, download, move
to another device and the text track follows just as audio and video do, then
why break them apart ? That's my penny's worth.

Posted from: 189.97.124.33
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.16 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/10.0.648.205 Safari/534.16
Comment 1 Silvia Pfeiffer 2011-04-28 07:37:11 UTC 
Having text tracks separate is also useful, in particular:
* if you are trying to index a lot of videos by their text tracks and just want to download the text, not the extensive video data,
* if you are auto-translating a text track,
* if you are keeping the text in a DB on the server and serving it with two or three different video formats,
* if you have a large number of translations of the text track and don't want to always transfer all of the text tracks to the user,
* if you want to provide text services on top of video that is being served by somebody else (though in this case you need some security mechanism.)

I'm sure I have forgotten a few further user cases.

The issue is: both external and in-band text tracks are useful and appear in the wild, so HTML supports both. There is no need to restrict users/authors/publishers to a single means of doing things.
Comment 2 Aryeh Gregor 2011-06-24 19:13:18 UTC 
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Status: Rejected
Change Description: no spec change
Rationale: As far as I understand the issue, there's significant demand and use-cases for out-of-band text tracks, and implementers are interested in supporting them.  Thus a specification is needed to ensure that implementers all support the same format.  If you don't think implementers should spend their time on out-of-band tracks, I suggest you take it up with them, so that no specification is needed; this kind of decision is not made by specification editors.  Authors who prefer to use in-band tracks can do that instead -- nothing's stopping them.
Comment 3 Michael[tm] Smith 2011-08-04 05:14:08 UTC 
mass-move component to LC1