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Bug 10556 - Document tells people to register canvas context types at WhatWG
Summary: Document tells people to register canvas context types at WhatWG
Status: RESOLVED NEEDSINFO
Alias: None
Product: HTML WG
Classification: Unclassified
Component: pre-LC1 HTML5 spec (editor: Ian Hickson) (show other bugs)
Version: unspecified
Hardware: Macintosh Mac System 9.x
: P3 normal
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: Ian 'Hixie' Hickson
QA Contact: HTML WG Bugzilla archive list
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Keywords: NE
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Reported: 2010-09-06 13:54 UTC by Shelley Powers
Modified: 2010-10-04 14:45 UTC (History)
7 users (show)

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Description Shelley Powers 2010-09-06 13:54:56 UTC
The Canvas section in the document has a link to the WhatWG wiki in order to "register" new context types. 

The problem with this is that the WhatWG web site is a personal web site maintained by one person (Ian Hickson), owned by one person (Ian Hickson), with no formal structure, or guarantee of reliability. In fact, reliability of the web site has been a problem in the past, as it is based in Dreamhost, a host notorious for interruptions of service.

Secondly, there is no mechanism in place to ensure the security of the data, nor to deal with conflicts if any arise. A wiki is no place on which to build a standard. Only a neophyte would consider a wiki a good place to order to register _anything_ so that all application builders can rely on what's registered. 

Lastly, the W3C document should not contain any link to WhatWG documents, because the WhatWG is not a formal organization, with legal structure, or patent policy in place. Without a formal organization backing the site, there is no guarantee that any links will continue point to any one document in the future -- for all we know, the WhatWG web site could be bought by spammers someday and the linked document then becomes a page of ads for herbal supplements. 

Even if the WhatWG domain remains, there is no guarantee that the sole owner of the web site won't change the contents of documents in such a way as to cause confusion or even disruption.
Comment 1 Kornel Lesinski 2010-09-06 14:16:04 UTC
I've grepped spec document and found links to domains that might be in similar situation: microformats.org, opensearch.org, publicsuffix.org, keithp.com.

Would you like these links removed as well?
Comment 2 Shelley Powers 2010-09-06 14:26:26 UTC
(In reply to comment #1)
> I've grepped spec document and found links to domains that might be in similar
> situation: microformats.org, opensearch.org, publicsuffix.org, keithp.com.
> 
> Would you like these links removed as well?

Depends on the context of the usage. Where in the document are these links? Were these links to wiki pages where one is instructed to register types?
Comment 3 Shelley Powers 2010-09-06 14:32:43 UTC
(In reply to comment #1)
> I've grepped spec document and found links to domains that might be in similar
> situation: microformats.org, opensearch.org, publicsuffix.org, keithp.com.
> 
> Would you like these links removed as well?

And were the links to pages that already exist among the W3C HTML WG documents?
Comment 4 Julian Reschke 2010-09-06 14:49:31 UTC
(In reply to comment #1)
> I've grepped spec document and found links to domains that might be in similar
> situation: microformats.org, opensearch.org, publicsuffix.org, keithp.com.
> 
> Would you like these links removed as well?

- microformats.org only appears in a comment

- opensearch.org is a note, which should be harmless

- publicsuffix.org probably needs to be discussed (I think the cookie spec has a similar need and currently only cites it as example)

- keithp.com -- I don't see that in the spec
Comment 5 Ian 'Hixie' Hickson 2010-09-08 08:22:18 UTC
I just used the WHATWG wiki because doing so was easy and solved the problem. If anyone has a better idea, I'm all for it. I don't think stability is a worry, though. If the server went down, or I went nuts and started changing it in ways incompatible with reality, or something like that, the community could just move it elsewhere and update the spec.

Anyway, if anyone has an idea of a good place to host this list of context names that is freely editable by anyone and who would be happy to host this, let me know and I'll be happy to update the spec.


EDITOR'S RESPONSE: This is an Editor's Response to your comment. If you are satisfied with this response, please change the state of this bug to CLOSED. If you have additional information and would like the editor to reconsider, please reopen this bug. If you would like to escalate the issue to the full HTML Working Group, please add the TrackerRequest keyword to this bug, and suggest title and text for the tracker issue; or you may create a tracker issue yourself, if you are able to do so. For more details, see this document:
   http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy.html

Status: Did Not Understand Request
Change Description: no spec change
Rationale: No suitable alternative is apparent; suggestions welcome.
Comment 6 Shelley Powers 2010-09-08 12:24:23 UTC
(In reply to comment #5)
> I just used the WHATWG wiki because doing so was easy and solved the problem.
> If anyone has a better idea, I'm all for it. I don't think stability is a
> worry, though. If the server went down, or I went nuts and started changing it
> in ways incompatible with reality, or something like that, the community could
> just move it elsewhere and update the spec.
> 
> Anyway, if anyone has an idea of a good place to host this list of context
> names that is freely editable by anyone and who would be happy to host this,
> let me know and I'll be happy to update the spec.
> 
> 
> EDITOR'S RESPONSE: This is an Editor's Response to your comment. If you are
> satisfied with this response, please change the state of this bug to CLOSED. If
> you have additional information and would like the editor to reconsider, please
> reopen this bug. If you would like to escalate the issue to the full HTML
> Working Group, please add the TrackerRequest keyword to this bug, and suggest
> title and text for the tracker issue; or you may create a tracker issue
> yourself, if you are able to do so. For more details, see this document:
>    http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy.html
> 
> Status: Did Not Understand Request
> Change Description: no spec change
> Rationale: No suitable alternative is apparent; suggestions welcome.


Did you discuss this in the HTML WG?