Meeting minutes
<Lisa> topic - coordinating the next draft
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<Lisa> see our timeline athttps://
First item is about coordinating work on the current draft.
First phase is meant to end at the end of this month, include mental health and put in place holders for internationalization and testing. Images are on hold for now.
<Lisa> see our timeline athttps://
<Lisa> rains email https://
Lisa: We are looking at phase 1 of our current time table. The first thing we were going to do is put in a new structure. Rain is leading the structure group.
Lisa: Rain sent us a link - over the next month it looks like the structure team will draft new content elements and get some images in place.
Lisa: I believe Roy was meant to help Rain with prototyping a structure - Lisa will be talking with Roy tomorrow to see when he thinks we will be getting a new editor's draft
Lisa: Rain is creating mock-ups for Roy
Lisa: An editor's draft is not for public review - we might show them to the chairs of AG, etc., but we just need some internal feedback. Lisa will speak to Roy to see when the prototype might happen.
Lisa: Mental Health content is meant to be in the draft from the literary review
Lisa: In the meantime, Eric and Rashmi are putting in things from the mental health literary review and the issues that we have addressed so far - we are putting them into a branch.
Lisa: I will try to draw an outline pattern for color and we will add a note that we will add additional research soon - this could be a placeholder and we can find some research to add later.
Lisa: will speak to Rashmi on Thursday - we are having an additional mental health separate meeting to meet the deadline. This will be at the earlier time.
Lisa: The plan is to have the color pattern by Thursday so that we can tweak it a bit for the draft.
Lisa: We also need a pattern to represent the issue papers - we need to iterate what we're leaving out - at least an editor's note so that they are not left out altogether.
<Rachael> +1 to a longer initial note that links to the patterns and an additional note on each pattern
+1 to Rachael's suggestion
<Lisa> +1
<julierawe> Hi, folks, I accidentally refreshed my IRC page and had to log back in—can you reshare the link Lisa and Jan are talking about?
<Lisa> see our timeline athttps://
<Rachael> Suggested text: This pattern may need improvements to support internationalization
<Jennie> * If you use a phrase that starts with a letter not used much for other links on the page, then should be easy to skip in a list of links JanM.
Lisa: We need to discuss whether we need to add some text for testing - do we want it for this draft, or just for WCAG 3
Jeannie: I am not sure what the answer is - I think there may have been some sections that need further review. Some of the work being done on WCAG 3 might help us make things more easily testable. I will refer to Rachael on the progress being made on WCAG 3
Lisa: Do we want to put something in our structure for unit testing or a testing appendix, or do we just leave it to WCAG 3
<EA> +1 to Rashmi's comment
Rachael: This is just my opinion - since we put out content usable, the feedback we are getting is that Content Usable is really dense, so I think it would be better to put a separate document together for testing
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<EA> Rachael's comment!
Lisa: Maybe we could be put something in a call-out box that links to a testing page, maybe in a Wiki page that could be updated separately?
Jennie: Can you remind me of the process we follow as WCAG 3 matures - do we have a process in mind for as patterns get included in WCAG 3 so that we can link back and forth on testing between the documents
<Rachael> I agree that we won’t have wcag 3 to link to when this goes out.
Lisa: We won't have anything to link to when this goes out, but having a wiki page with testing information we have so far, can be updated - if we can do that within the W3C process.
<Rachael> Irc
Lisa: I will need to ask Roy and W3C staff what we are allowed to do.
<Jennie> +1 to a formal page - adds the feeling of more official for those looking at it.
Rachael - I would link to the wiki for now, but then put the testing information in the supplemental WAI guidance within content usable and link to it within the document
<EA> +1 to a supplemental page that is always 'findable'
<Rachael> It would go here: https://
+1 to Rachael's suggestion
<Lisa> do you agree to rachels suggestion Can we link to wiki for now, page that page on supplemental wai guidance oan the permanent wai site and link to it
<EA> +1
<Jennie> +1
<julierawe> +1
<DavidSwallow> +1
+1
<tburtin> +1
<Lisa> +1
<Lisa> any objections
Jennie: I know that some of the work related to WCAG 3 will provide possibly some of the work that might go to the creation of the testing protocols - that work will come back and have to get posted, so if we could make sure there's a link back, that might make it easier to complete the work later.
Lisa: Do we need to get this approved through AG?
Rachael: I think send a not to the chairs of APA and AG
Lisa: That is a really elegant way of doing this and then if we put that into our editor's draft, then AG and APA can look at it and comment
Lisa: Images for the draft is on hold because we don't have the wording for the objectives finalized - I would like to move the images to the working draft
Lisa: I would like everyone's permission to move images for objectives to the August draft and we make an editor's note on the current draft to let people know where images will go.
Lisa: This will allow us to close on the wording first so that we're not having to redo images if the wording changes
+1 to Lisa's proposal
<tburtin> +1
<Lisa> and why we are delaying it to get the wording and pattern stucture out first
<Lisa> +1
<Rachael> +1
<Jennie> +1
<Lisa> any objections
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Lisa: I will speak to Roy and catch up with him on the first draft
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<Lisa> close item 6
Lisa: we have had some difficulty with the IRC lounge; Lisa has put together a google doc about these issues - please add if you agree with the issues noted in that doc and add any additional feedback you may have - put in requests, etc.
<Lisa> close item 6
Julie: I am looking at the Google doc you just shared - EA was talking with Janina about color contrast not meeting requirements - so this Google doc is for us to put in any concerns we have about IRC?
Lisa: yes - we will be sharing this with Janina
Julie: Nick as a name of a field does not make sense - it was pointed out that this has been used for decades, but it's not user friendly for newcomers
David: How did the lounge come about?
Lisa: I think it's made by the W3C
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<Lisa> close item 7
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Lisa: The agenda for the next two weeks - these fall on Passover - we have 2 things scheduled and people may not be able to come. Monday the 22nd, Becca will chair about how to do a literary review. If you want to come to this, but can't because of Passover, we can redo it. The second week Eric will be covering issues, but if people want a call to
review, summarize of discuss, we can have a summary on the call the week of May 6th.
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Lisa: Let's discuss final feedback on collaborative tools
With respect to the IRC - TIffany suggested that the "Morning" theme is slightly better
Lisa: After 9, Lisa added suggestion 10 and also added suggestions to item for 7
Lisa: Collaborative Tools draft that APA wants to finalize - Lisa made some suggestions
David: APA had concerns about applicability to all collaborative spaces - it has been incorporated to some extent in user need 10
Lisa: Can we make an exception to this that when threads of discussions are available, this become applicable.
David: I will have to make a case for this with APA - if we are keen for this to be in, I can take it back to them.
Lisa: Maybe - When there's threaded conversations, or multiple conversations threads, then this (item 10) is applicable.
Lisa: 7 still needs some work
Lisa: Do we make a new issue for each one? Do we make a pull request?
David: I think we should say we still want to see these things as either new issues, or I can attend the meeting
Lisa: If I have not missed anything crucial, we could put our new suggested edits in a google doc and work on the wording a bit
David: Are these are remaining concerns or do others have concerns?
David: Let's go with this email from Lisa - if anyone has a chance to look at the latest version of CTAUR, please let us know sooner rather than later.
Lisa: I will copy and paste her suggestions at the beginning of David's primary Google Doc titled COGA's feedback on Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements (CTAUR)
<Lisa> https://
EA: I am confused about the difference between 19A and 10A - APA thought they had included it because icons were mentioned in both places, but they didn't mention symbols
EA: There isn't a mention of symbols in their document, but Lisa has added information
Jennie: I got locked out of IRC, but maybe we need a glossary to explain the difference between icons and symbols
Jennie: sometimes when people hear icon, they may not understand the functional use
<Lisa> https://
Jennie - I am not sure what happened, but I thought I pressed a key combination that I thought was just for me, but then I got kicked out
Lisa: Please add your lounge experiences to the Google Doc so that we can document the problems you've had with IRC during the meeting
Lisa: In terms of COGA's feedback on CTAUR, David will supply the link that we need to review
<DavidSwallow> Latest version of CTAUR: https://
EA: I think Lisa has covered the language I thought was missing. As Jennie just explained, we need to create a glossary
<julierawe> Have to leave for next meeting, thanks!