W3C

– DRAFT –
ARIA WG

09 November 2023

Attendees

Present
Adam_Page, bgaraventa, Daniel, Francis_Storr, giacomo-petri, jcraig, Matt_King, mbgower, melsumner, pkra, Rahim, sarah_h, scotto, StefanS
Regrets
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Chair
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Scribe
Adam_Page

Meeting minutes

New Issue Triage

dmontalvo: dpub-aam/#34

dmontalvo: wait for dpub WG to address

dmontalvo: aria/#2075

scotto: was looking through all elements that can be named by author, and `time` popped up
… don’t oppose it, but don’t understand it
… do we really want this to be named?

MattKing: seems like a potential generic

scotto: let’s all look at it asynchronously and agenda if needed

dmontalvo: aria/#2074

scotto: found this during the same investigation as #2075
… this one might deserve more attention
… HTML equivalents for definition and term are <dfn> and nothing for term
… during role parity discussions, we did say that each can name the other

dmontalvo: I’ll agenda this one

dmontalvo: aria/#2073

Rahim: I was reviewing roles which cannot be named
… and noticed that `none` is there, but not `presentation`
… do we always want none and presentation to be listed together?

dmontalvo: any background from anyone?

Matt_King: none was added much later as a synonym
… I think this is an editorial issue

jcraig: initially presentation was the only one, but web authors kept misunderstanding that `role="presentation"` is equivalent to `aria-hidden="true"`
… some elements now have a preference between `presentation` and `none`

pkra: isn’t this just a technical editors issue?

dmontalvo: agreed, please agenda this for that meeting

New PR Triage

<melsumner> I thought we defined deprecated in ARIA spec as something different a while back, FWIW

dmontalvo: aria/#2076
… already approved, we can just merge

pkra: no more reviews needed, it’s just editorial

WPT Open PRs

dmontalvo: wpt/#43046

jcraig: found an interesting bug in Chrome and Firefox where `<img src="#">` fails to render, so I replaced the src with a one-pixel data URI

dmontalvo: wpt/#43043

jcraig: Rahim and I are working on this one

Rahim: this one has an ambiguous definition for what should be returned for a hidden aria-labelledby node reference

jcraig: I’ll review this one

dmontalvo: wpt/#43028

scotto: this needs to be updated to consider parent/child relationship more than HTML enclosure

dmontalvo: wpt/#43013

scotto: similar to previous, I’ll review this one

Rahim: I just finished contextual role WPT tests — should I add this one?

scotto: yes, that’d be great — let’s sync up on that

dmontalvo: wpt/#42784
… needs reviewers

Rahim: I’ll review

dmontalvo: wpt/#42769
… this one is still WIP

dmontalvo: wpt/#42760

scotto: I just committed an update

dmontalvo: wpt/#42551

jcraig: this is one of spectranaut’s manual tests

dmontalvo: wpt/#41643

jcraig: ditto

jcraig: spectranaut can follow up if she needs different reviewers

dmontalvo: wpt/#41522
… this one already has reviewers

jcraig: this is a manual one

dmontalvo: wpt/#41463

jcraig: Rahim and I are working on this one, it’s very close

dmontalvo: wpt/#34797
… this is a manual core-aam one, so we can skip

jcraig: I’ve already provided feedback

dmontalvo: wpt/#33680

jcraig: this is still a draft
… it’ll be a manual test also

Deep Dive planning

Ambiguity in AccName LabelledBy section: "[if] current node is not already 'part of' [sic]…traversal" agendabot]

jcraig: BGaraventa and I agree on this one and now I just need to update the test

jcraig: let’s focus on the traversal aspect of this one and save name prohibited on generic as a separate issue
… I’ll take assignment of this one and propose an editorial update to the spec

Deep Dive planning

melsumner: need a deep dive for next week to explore accname as description and value
… BGaraventa I discussed this and would like to present some ideas to the group

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Active on IRC: Adam_Page, BGaraventa, dmontalvo, Francis_Storr, giacomo-petri, jamesn, jcraig, Matt_King, mbgower, melsumner, pkra, Rahim, sarah_h, scotto, StefanS