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AGWG-TPAC-Group-2023-09-11

11 September 2023

Attendees

Present
alastairc, AWK, Ben_Tillyer, Chuck_, DanielHE_, Francis_Storr, Jaunita_, Jaunita__, jeanne, Jennie, JohnRochford, Laura_Carlson, Lauriat, lisa, maryjom, mattg, mbgower_, mitch11_, Patrick_H_Lauke, Rachael, ShawnT, Wilco
Regrets
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Chair
Chuck
Scribe
AWK

Meeting minutes

Ben: one thing we should add is if there is some sort of menu that structure should be added

+AWK

<Chuck_> User processes do not increase cognitive load

RM: Our subgroup was User processes do not increase cognitive load

User processes do not increase cognitive load subgroup update

RM: looking at personalization to help with user needs

RM: We were looking at an expansion of accessible authentication
… also how to recover from avoiding mistakes, avoid distractions, etc

RM: lots of research needed for different areas
… internationalized research
… discussed needing users to be able to go back to a previous UI design
… conversation around providing instructions for complex processes in text + at least one other way
… research discussed about videos longer than 5 min needing chapters
… discussed cognitive tests

<Zakim> alastairc, you wanted to comment on using cognitive tests more generally

AC: We will need to tweak the cognitive tests in order to use more generally

RM: The thinking was to not lock ppl out

ME: Thought of another resource
… Germany goes beyond 2.1 AA and there are professionals there that we may want to talk with

CA: Any comments on how the subgroups operated - good/bad?

PL: on the structure group
… we had a lot of fundmental discussions
… discussing when things are lists or headings as distinct from what happens when things are

AC: there wasn't much research
… related to the nature of 1.3.1 content area. Lots of WCAG-referring references.
… we moved past research quickly

WF: Feel like 1.3.1 is a huge topic and needs more time

<Patrick__> agree with Wilco. "structure" is a large and fundamental topic that it felt too big to tackle

CA: How well were you able to keep pace?

RM: lunch was longer for in-person PPL

Juanita: Lots of research. We should find more still
… process went well overall

CA: Lesson learned?

Juanita: When writing user needs should they be technology-agnostic?

AC: people were saying that structured content is very wide and we could spend a LOT more time with it

<Zakim> Chuck_, you wanted to ask if that means adding a column

AC: RM: Tried using a table during editing also

ss/..RM: /... RM:

RM: We should make an effort to stay high-level rather than get too deep too soon

<Rachael> +1 to avoiding being tempted to fit this into WCAG 2. We ran into that too

PL: Very hard to not drive to get to the specific outcomes too soon

<Rachael> Capture the deep questions and move on to keep going. :)

<lisa> metal health review https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eKNrofGubnpQE6mO-vxmI-1MW5nA2LDj0LxebREPRGA/edit?resourcekey#gid=1686096268 analisis between new and already in content useable: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K4tI9SV4lsDXzCdaEAXExeL3f061__Sy06lfGV9mLvY/edit#heading=h.qn1vctt0b01p

Lisa: put two links into IRC above
… did review of research
… it would be interesting to centralize how the different task forces and subgroups handle research
… looking to streamline the research

CA: Sneak peek of what is coming
… two new subgroups
… "text uses appropriate layout and semantics"

<lisa> also note jennie and shawns work at https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1RUiKsY_WUaFJFvdR6ezFJ8Jx35JkHssy

CA: other is "user flexible"

CA: How is it over there? Inquiring minds want to know

WF: (sarcastically) Terrible

CA: Moving to a new 15 minute break

<Jaunita__> Can you send the schedule?

https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/TPAC_2023_Schedule#Monday_11_September_23_.28Meeting_Information.29

<Jaunita__> Thank you!!

<Zakim> mbgower_, you wanted to say are we supposed to click "Join" breakout room now?

https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/TPAC_2023_Schedule#Monday_11_September_23_.28Meeting_Information.29

Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl version 221 (Fri Jul 21 14:01:30 2023 UTC).

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Active on IRC: alastairc, AWK, Ben_Tillyer, Chuck_, DanielHE_, Francis_Storr, Jaunita_, Jaunita__, jeanne, Jennie, JohnRochford, laura, Lauriat, lisa, maryjom, mattg, mbgower_, mitch11_, Patrick__, Patrick_H_Lauke, Rachael, ShawnT, Wilco, Wilco_