W3C

– DRAFT –
ARIA WG

07 September 2023

Attendees

Present
Adam_Page, benb, Francis_Storr, melsumner, Rahim, scotto, StefanS
Regrets
CurtBellew
Chair
spectranaut_
Scribe
jamesn

Meeting minutes

<spectranaut_> scribe?

New Issue Triage

w3c/aria#2029

add to deprecation discussion at TPAC

w3c/aria#2025

someone should look into HTML to see if there are strict authoring requirements

jamesn: consistency would seem good

New PR Triage

<scotto> agreed with matt, look to see what HTML is doing, but maybe it doesn't need to be as strict

#2027 - added Peter

<spectranaut_> w3c/core-aam#192

<spectranaut_> w3c/aria#2023 - talked about last week

TPAC Agenda

spectranaut_: there has been 1 change since last week where the tuesday notification proposal has been moved up 30 mins due to a meta XR presentation happening right after

https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/fcde7756-f9a9-4ad5-b67a-0d7049e5b10b/

AT Driver meeting

<Marcelo_Paiva> w3c/tpac2023-breakouts

mariob: propose interactive lists for the Tuesday morning sessions

matt: thinks that Stefan also proposed this

<melsumner> question: is there a tpac-focused IRC channel for this group, or will we use this channel?

scotto: Sarah had done a bunch of pre-work on that

spectranaut_: there is the aria wiki

matt: can also use a gist

matt: or discussions too

<scotto> sarah said "oh that's fine" re: 12:30 am meeting time

<spectranaut_> https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/TPAC-2023-ARIA-Meetings

https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/TPAC-2023-ARIA-Meetings

Question regarding aria-haspopup=false

spectranaut_: small issue

aaronlev: wouldn't we want it to be a MUST NOT so we can write WPTs

jamesn: thought that IA2 just passed all the attributes

aaronlev: not that cut and dry

aaronlev: do we correct for incorrect markup is probably different in each browser

aaronlev: can be a lot of extra code

jamesn: would this just be busy work to fix this?

aaronlev: could be a huge amount of effort to restrict/repair things with little benefit

spectranaut_: maybe this doesn't need to be a MUST as there is no known problem

spectranaut_: think this was purely a spec correction

jamesn: should it be AT or UA?

giacomo: if browsers would make a change and consider role combobox with aria-haspopup=false should they provide the default listbox

matt: a combobox should never have haspopup=false

giacomo: what would happen if someone does

matt: if you don't specify then UA would expose a list

matt: At does nothing with haspopup on combo right now

StefanS: what would happen if someone put aria-haspopup=grid on a combobox

matt: currently allows that

matt: honestly don't think we need haspopup on combo boxes

matt: it is problematic in general if AT exposes haspopup=false

StefanS: have seen use cases for grid

matt: that is allowed

spectranaut_: sounds like this is intentional and we should move on

matt: seems like ideally it would be a mUST not but would seem like a should not would mean we don't need to fix it in browsers right now

spectranaut_: 2 questions

spectranaut_: first it says AT - not UA

spectranaut_: think we don't need to change

matt: could have both

AT&UA should not

Rahim: seems related to menubutton pattern where we don't set aria-expanded.

matt: got feedback that the APG pattern is confusing

maybe a PR to add 3 words

[Question] wai-aria/role/listbox-roles.html wpt test

matt: this applies to everything with required parents

scotto: spec is not clear on this right now

scotto: trying to write this rule in html-aam but there is nothing in aria

scotto: don't have any fallback

jamesn:

jamesn: we have authoring requirements

jamesn: propose adding something to the handling author errors section

jamesn: assign to scott

Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl version 221 (Fri Jul 21 14:01:30 2023 UTC).

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Maybe present: aaronlev, giacomo, jamesn, mariob, matt, spectranaut_

All speakers: aaronlev, giacomo, jamesn, mariob, matt, Rahim, scotto, spectranaut_, StefanS

Active on IRC: Adam_Page, benb, Francis_Storr, jamesn, Marcelo_Paiva, melsumner, Rahim, scotto, spectranaut_, StefanS