Meeting minutes
New Issue Triage
#2011 - jcraig: just an FYI, no fallout expected
#56 dpub-aria
assigning to mattgarrish
#186 in core-aam
benb taking it
#2007 aria
spectranaut_: already commented on it, assign to me
New PR Triage
spectranaut_: PR review needed on #2010
jcraig: add me
scotto: me too
pkra: me too
#2009 aria
spectranaut_: this was a request from Matt, copied over diagrams and text from jcraig's presentation
jamesn: needs approving review
#500 in html-aam
scotto: on my todo list,will get on this one soon (TM)
#41522 in wpt: askign joanie to review it
#41521 wpt
spectranaut_: it's possible it shoudn't be merged. waiting on jcraig for feedback
jcraig: I'll look at it
WPT Open PRs
<jcraig> web-platform-tests/
jamesn: we put together a draft agenda for TPAC. We are logging for some agenda setter and have a few opened slots still, and other topics we are not sure we should plan
aaronlev: not feeling confident about leading the discussion about Rething how hidden is aria-hidden content?
jamesn+ aaronlev will lead it instead of just aaron
scotto: I'll add a couple of notes on that issue
jamesn: still looking for a virtual content lead
jamesn: virtual content is content that isn't all in the DOM.
spectranaut_: like infinite scrollers
jamesn: we want ATs to work well with virtual content
cyns: Alice would be a great lead for this
MattKing: is this really AOM?
jcraig: the proposed solution was leaking privacy information
jcraig: the best way forward might be to come up with an entire new proposal
cyns: we made some progress on the privacy concerns last TPAC
jcraig: to me this cannot be an accessibility only feature. It should be tied in the browser to the scroll view
jamesn: then we shouldn't have this session and table this until we have a better proposal
spectranaut_: if we think this is not an ARIA specific thing should we have another group at TPAC discuss it?
spectranaut_: we know it needs to be done so we need to convince the right people to work on this and TPAC is a great place for that
cyns: I think it's a browser accessibility issue
MattKing: Valerie is right, we need to make the need understood byothers. The what and the why.
MattKing: I look at it like the notifications piece - it's important, and like the notification piece it's low level stuff
<Zakim> dmontalvo, you wanted to propose APA for this?
benb: Edge team is still committed to go after a solution for the virtual content issue
StefanS: tooltips are different across browsers, is it configurable across browsers. I feel like there is no normalization or standardization for tooltips
MattKing: We need to ask Sarah to be there for this talk
scotto: Sarah wants to be in the tooltip discussion. She and I started to work on a design for OpenUI
jamesn: APA wants to talk to us/with us about the notification proposal
aaronlev: do we have another slot where we can discuss how to ship aria notifications
aaronlev: We have some thoughts on how to get this take off
jamesn: we can have 45 minutes on the 17:00 to 18:30 to discuss tooltips and the other 45 could be for the intenral discussion about the notification proposal
jamesn: we don't know where to schedule it but we should continue talking about how to improve the relationship between ARIA and the ATs
jamesn: let's schedule a 45 minutes talk about ARIA-AT, where we'll invite NVDA and Vispero
jamesn: the other topic we've been talking about for years is data viz, and I'd love to make progress on it
jcraig: I talked to some people at CSUN this year.
jcraig: we could make progress on SVG but it wouldn't really help the broader web
MattKing: HighCharts is the most ahead in terms of accessibility
MAttKing: who are these folks? Are they part of a WG?
jamesn: do they even want to share their accessibility solutions? It's a competitive edge for them
jamesn: anyone interested to work with me on doing research about accessible data viz?
<jcraig> Discussed with Øystein Moseng at HighSoft at CSUN.
pkra: I'm interested
spectranaut_: we could skip the first slot on Monday morning
jamesn: Intros will take a while, so we could keep it open
spectranaut_: if attending remotely, please edit the wiki and mention which sessions you want to attend
<jcraig> acl me
<Zakim> jcraig, you wanted to suggest some time (30m or less) to chat about this one: WICG/
jcraig: would like to chat about this with other implementors
jcraig: depends about who will be at TPAC
jcraig: what other accessibility test interfaces do we need for webdriver? for example... a webdriver path to trigger "accessibility press" on some backing accessibility object?