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ARIA WG

27 Jul 2023

Attendees

Present
Francis_Storr, spectranaut_, jcraig, Adam_Page, StefanS, melsumner, benb, Matt_King, Marcelo_Paiva
Regrets
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
StefanS

Contents


<scribe> Scribe: StefanS

<melsumner> I have to look at the site: https://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot.html

[New Issue Triage](https://tinyurl.com/37fp99kn)

<spectranaut_> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1987

Melanie: anyone interested in taking first look at it?
... I'll do

<spectranaut_> https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/issues/496

<spectranaut_> https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/issues/495

Valerie: next issue on HTML AAM .. from Scott followup on discussion title etc

[New PR Triage](https://tinyurl.com/5n6ewemm)

<spectranaut_> https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/pull/497

Valerie: from Scott could use some reviewers, Melanie? Brian?

Brian: I'll do

Melanie: Mee too

James: Me too

[Deep Dive planning](https://bit.ly/aria-meaty-topic-candidates)

<spectranaut_> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1950

Valerie: 1st is use cases of aria-modal .. deep dive when Aron is back
... schedule deep dive? JamesN: yes Aaron is back

JamesC: re: TPAC, FYI you can attend meetings and take notes on a standard business visa, but you need a special work permit (4–8 week turnaround) if you going to ~"prepare or author reports"... I will be taking meeting notes and author after I leave the country

Valerie: we handle that at the TPAC agenda item

<spectranaut_> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1951

Valerie: othe point to handle is how handle hidden content? request from screen reader devs
... should we put on calender and check with scott next week?

<spectranaut_> schedule #1950 next week: Consider further use cases for aria-modal/potential values #1950

Valerie: lets do this next week

[TPAC](https://www.w3.org/2023/09/TPAC/)

Valerie: asking planning on attending and registering?

<melsumner> I don't have funding, so I won't be able to make it

I have registered and will attend

Valerie: if there a TPAC topics to discuss please mail me

JamesN: If you are not attending TPAC we can try to schedule calls for later in

<jamesn> https://www.w3.org/register/tpac2023/registrants

JamesN: there is a registration list

<jcraig> Schengen space

JamesC: W3C there is a concept in Schengen space regarding business work

JamesN: surprised that this doesn't came up before for other meetings in Europe

JamesC: I'm going to take notes in meetings and any kind of effective authoring afterwards

Marcelo: what should we extpect when attending TPAC?

Valerie: (explains benefits)
... its like a very long ARIA group meeting where we dicuss lotta things and one crossover meeting with APA
... generally good opportunity to connect and meet with other Working Groups

JamesN: much useful tghings happen outside AND inside :)
... .. the meeting rooms

<Marcelo_Paiva> https://github.com/w3c/tpac2023-breakouts

Marcelo: Breakout session with Ian Jakobs? Familiar with that?

JamesN: If anyone wants to present something he/she can do it there

JamesC: (explains an example for such a demo)

JamesN: design tokens for accessibility settings is presented there, too

JamesC: also if you are pitching a breakout, the most successful ones usually come with a concrete solution proposal (even a strawman), rather than just a problem statement and brainstorm

Marcelo: Thanks!

[Discussion tracking for ARIA Notification proposal](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1957)

Valerie: we went through aria notification proposals
... and we also discussed a bit speech markup

<spectranaut_> https://github.com/w3c/aria/discussions/1958#discussioncomment-6223153

<spectranaut_> https://github.com/w3c/aria/discussions/1958#discussioncomment-6223219

DougG: htt conversation with Matt last week .. I feel that there are better ways to markup math through speech markup
... multiple levels of support... first level if browser doesnt expose api

DougN: next level if browser supports functionality but platform API has no richness for it .. what happens then? Open questions

DougG: My proposal would be that browser dumbs down to what platform is capable of

Aaron: Any reasons why we can't? just make it look live a live region and AT can make determination of
... Chicken and egg problem .. having something that works as good as live regions do now .. browsers need to catch up, platforms too

DougG: concern is AT double speaking?

Aaron: yes you need to mark live region with something

<Zakim> jcraig, you wanted to discuss granular feature detection (is there a similar precedent), and then AT-backing feature issue

JamesC: thank for the summary. there were responses to you .. granular feature detection ... by API or by Jaava Script .. second was about backing feature issue .. are you on a platform that potentially supports AT? .. also some privacy implications (detecting AT) ... you could potentially do it on Mac or iOS

<jamesn> qv?

JamesC: I don't have solution for this but I wanted to call out these

<Zakim> cyns, you wanted to ask about AT - how would the browser or site know that there are or are not ATs that support a particular thing?

Cynthia: if there were Ats supporting that feature on a platform just wondering .. there are 3rd party extensions etc.

JamesC: juming in .. we taled about this a little bit at F2F .. could implement that behind a flag and then making requirement to remove the flag I think what is going to happen is some hybrid .. Aaron you have more on this issue on the Windows side .. we could ship this in Webkit using the existing APIS and it will not work with Voice over

DougG: wondering what the transition woukd be

JamesC: if you run on Windows every day, turn on dev menu in Chrome/Edge .. bunch of feature flags to manipulate

Aaron: we have to avoid the problem that Jaws X works but Jaws Y version not

DougG: Windows: platform API already there? Browser engine will map to it#
... and Jaws will make use of it

Aaron: you saying we would wait until Jaws has support for it behind the scenes?

DougG: no windows desktop apps have been using it for 6 years

JamesC: we have it as accessibility announcement also quite some time already

Aaron: we need a strategy for Linux as well

JamesC: talking about this with Jenny?

Valerie: I can reach out to her

JAmesC: did we decide to do this in a breakout YCG group?

Valerie: yes

Web Incubation Community Group (WICG) pronounced "YCG"

JamesC: real benefit is GitHub repo assoiciated with that

Matt: and IP protections

Valerie: I can help you setting this upo

Matt: there are 2 different kind of community groups .. interest and business

<jcraig> rrsagent is not in the channel?

<jamesn> 😱

<jamesn> spectranaut_: did you start the meeting?

Summary of Action Items

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