Meeting minutes
<spectranaut_> I'm having trouble getting into meeting
<jamesn> 904735
Hi, what's the zoom password?
<BenBeaudry> 904735
thank you!
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spectranaut: mel proposed decorative image roles
scotto: doesn't agree it should be in this spec
jamesn: should be in html spec
scott will transfer
spectranaut_: is this a duplicate?
scotto_: not a duplicate
jamesn: adding to 1.4
no assignees
spectranuaut: maybe we should wait for james
jamesn: aaron did most of this commenting we should probably get his comment on this
spectranaut_: should this be 1.4?
jamesn: maybe 1.3 because we have a user agents must
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F2F Planning
<spectranaut_> https://
spectranaut_: reminder to add issues to discuss at f2f meeting
spectranaut_: will send an email with survey and updates
jamesn: participant driven
Step 2C includes controls with value that are directly referenced by labelledby or describedby
spectranaut_: ready for merge but sara needs to rebase, but she's not here
spectranaut: nothing to move forward with right now
jamesn: can probably resolve the conflict, will take a look
jamesn: adding new id refs if sara doesn't get around to it soon
scotto: quick question on those who have aom background
Which ARIA synonym role should computedrole return?
jamesn: new thing in computed role which can be return by platform tests
jamesn: two roles have synonyms should it return none, presentation, image, img?
scotto: should this be in core aam?
scotto: since they can be mapped by the same thing then what do they even mean?
<spectranaut_> we think this belongs in https://
spectranaut: should there be different computed role mappings for different platforms?
scotto: aria probably not, but html gets messier
spectranaut: will move to core aam
Role parity: consider "native-" or "host-" role prefix for host language elements (including audio/video, but not limited to media) where custom ARIA implementations cannot (yet) match the native implementation's accessibility.
AOM topic from Scott
scotto: more a general question if theres a decision on certain attributes being reflected or if aom will not reflect attributes
scotto: translation services don't respect aria label
scotto: they shouldn't use aria-label if they know they will translate there web pages
scotto: what if someone set internals aria-label: foo but how will it update that?
scotto: if aria-label and aria-description have to print to render dom to be reviewed and updated
scotto: otherwise services will have no way of updating those
jamesn: simple attributes like the string ones are reflected
jamesn: the complex attributes will be difficult
jamesn: boolean or enums how will those reflect
<jamesn> reflection does work - https://
scotto: if popover is associated with a button then the expanded state will be reflected
scotto: requested an additional hook
jamesn: how does that work for checkboxes that are only available in idl?
scotto: there's a seudo selector for that
scotto: there's an open hide or open close seudo selector
jamesn: confirmed in the example above the reflection works
benbeaudry: what does reflection mean?
benbeaudry: are there cases where there shouldn't be reflected?
jamesn: 1.3 is wrong reflected attributes don't work like that
spectranaut: should probably file an issue
jamesn: needs examples/text about this