W3C

– DRAFT –
ARIA WG

16 March 2023

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Adam_Page, Andrea, arigilmore, BenBeaudry, CurtBellew, jamesn, spectranaut_
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arigilmore

Meeting minutes

<spectranaut_> I'm having trouble getting into meeting

<jamesn> 904735

Hi, what's the zoom password?

<BenBeaudry> 904735

thank you!

New Issue Triage

spectranaut: mel proposed decorative image roles

scotto: doesn't agree it should be in this spec

jamesn: should be in html spec

scott will transfer

w3c/aria#1889

spectranaut_: is this a duplicate?

scotto_: not a duplicate

jamesn: adding to 1.4

no assignees

w3c/aria#1888

spectranuaut: maybe we should wait for james

w3c/aria#1887

w3c/aria#1885

jamesn: aaron did most of this commenting we should probably get his comment on this

spectranaut_: should this be 1.4?

jamesn: maybe 1.3 because we have a user agents must

New PR Triage

w3c/aria#1886

F2F Planning

<spectranaut_> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/83726/2023ARIAf2f/

spectranaut_: reminder to add issues to discuss at f2f meeting

spectranaut_: will send an email with survey and updates

jamesn: participant driven

Step 2C includes controls with value that are directly referenced by labelledby or describedby

spectranaut_: ready for merge but sara needs to rebase, but she's not here

spectranaut: nothing to move forward with right now

jamesn: can probably resolve the conflict, will take a look

jamesn: adding new id refs if sara doesn't get around to it soon

scotto: quick question on those who have aom background

Which ARIA synonym role should computedrole return?

jamesn: new thing in computed role which can be return by platform tests

jamesn: two roles have synonyms should it return none, presentation, image, img?

scotto: should this be in core aam?

scotto: since they can be mapped by the same thing then what do they even mean?

<spectranaut_> we think this belongs in https://w3c.github.io/core-aam

spectranaut: should there be different computed role mappings for different platforms?

scotto: aria probably not, but html gets messier

spectranaut: will move to core aam

Role parity: consider "native-" or "host-" role prefix for host language elements (including audio/video, but not limited to media) where custom ARIA implementations cannot (yet) match the native implementation's accessibility.

AOM topic from Scott

scotto: more a general question if theres a decision on certain attributes being reflected or if aom will not reflect attributes

scotto: translation services don't respect aria label

scotto: they shouldn't use aria-label if they know they will translate there web pages

scotto: what if someone set internals aria-label: foo but how will it update that?

scotto: if aria-label and aria-description have to print to render dom to be reviewed and updated

scotto: otherwise services will have no way of updating those

jamesn: simple attributes like the string ones are reflected

jamesn: the complex attributes will be difficult

jamesn: boolean or enums how will those reflect

<jamesn> reflection does work - https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.2/#idl_example_usage

scotto: if popover is associated with a button then the expanded state will be reflected

scotto: requested an additional hook

jamesn: how does that work for checkboxes that are only available in idl?

scotto: there's a seudo selector for that

scotto: there's an open hide or open close seudo selector

jamesn: confirmed in the example above the reflection works

benbeaudry: what does reflection mean?

benbeaudry: are there cases where there shouldn't be reflected?

jamesn: 1.3 is wrong reflected attributes don't work like that

spectranaut: should probably file an issue

jamesn: needs examples/text about this

Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl version 210 (Wed Jan 11 19:21:32 2023 UTC).

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Maybe present: scotto, scotto_, spectranaut, spectranuaut

All speakers: benbeaudry, jamesn, scotto, scotto_, spectranaut, spectranaut_, spectranuaut

Active on IRC: Adam_Page, Andrea, arigilmore, BenBeaudry, CurtBellew, jamesn, spectranaut_