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05 January 2023

Attendees

Present
Adam_Page, Cyns, JamesN, Mark_McCarthy, MichaelC, Scott_O´Hara, Siri
Regrets
SarahHigley, ValerieYoung
Chair
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Scribe
MichaelC

Meeting minutes

New Issue Triage

accname#179

jamesn: agenda for next week

New PR Triage

https://github.com/w3c/core-aam/pull/158

MichaelC to review

scott: should we review stale PRs?

jamesn: it´s a lot...

but yeah, we gotta catch up

will discuss with Valerie

Deep Dive planning

jamesn: any topics?

scott: aria-haspopup - there´s been more discussion in thread

we need to make some final decisions on it

jamesn: for next week then

https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1024

scott: getting mixed feedback

some people like it, some hate it

Clarify use case for aria-rowindex on cell/gridcell elements

scott: defer, no action since last discussion

ARIA ACT Rules review - still only have 1 group review.

jamesn: only 1 review so far

from Scott

need people to look at these

they´ll get added to a11y evaluation tools

we want to know they´re good

a quick thumbs up will help validate

<Adam & Cynthia volunteer>

Change aria-errormessage to ID reference list

james: any other reviewers?

adam: will

jamesn: we´ll look at tracking PR state through process better

adam: will aria-errormessage start working?

jamesn: well, will be in API; another question whether AT will support

people working around by using aria-describedby, which isn´t great

scott: maybe browser could detect aria-describedby and aria-errormessage reference the same thing, drop it on describeby

cyns: will chat with Aaron

jamesn: using aria-describedby for error messages is an anti-pattern

scott: but it´s the only way up to now authors had

jamesn: means users can´t turn off descriptions because of vital error messages

scott: +1, want to move away from that, but also address duplicate messages in transition

james: or AT do?

cyns: if AT looking at markup, which is less often now

jamesn: should be able to use both

cyns: not sure all platforms have both

jamesn: issues filed against ATs?

cyns: can find out

jamesn: would like a list of ARIA features implemented by browsers but not handled well by AT

maybe deprecate features that aren´t getting uptake

[normative][author] clarify widget in trees can only be group and treeitem - what is the status of this? agendabot]

jamesn: defer til right participants present

aria-haspopup at button should not change role

jamesn: appears to be concurrence with proposal

there´s an old PR related to this I´ll merge or something

proposal for next week´s discussion - @@

scott: even if it were to go away, we want it fixed

1.3 blocking issues agendabot]

jamesn: defer for better quorum

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