W3C

Accessibility Conformance Testing Teleconference

18 Aug 2022

Attendees

Present
Helen
Regrets
Chair
Wilco
Scribe
dmontalvo

Contents


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ACT rules sheet

Wilco: Object element -- I have a couple more changes, I need some reviews on that

Helen: Iframes, it just need reviews, Jean-Yves took on the technical details

Kathy: She sent an email suggesting it may be reassigned

Daniel: Ready for review, but checks failing

Wilco: Work with Will tomorrow.

Open ACT pull requests

Wilco: First is Daniel's. I don't think you can link in the description
... Needs reviewers
... Tom?

Tom: Yes.

Wilco: Content visibility #1903 I have changes requested on this. I think this is wrong
... Visibility hidden does not remove an element from the accessibility tree

Tom: So many issues with this one
... Inner text property blanks out but the node is still there

Wilco: My SVG one is on call for review
... One from Chris

Helen: Maybe we need to walk him through the process

Wilco: I'll reach out to him
... #1855 Feedback on iframes
... Has there been substantial changes?

Helen: I think the approvals are coming after the changes were done

Wilco: Let's use changes requested even if it is a small thing
... #1852 is ready for review again

Daniel: I'll try to get to this one

Priority issues

Wilco: Not sure there has been an update. Kathy is still working on link name. I've been working on the ARIA thing, but not on the other ones yet. Things are still moving

Text content that changes automatically can be paused, stopped or hidden (efbfc7)

Wilco: We've surveyed this a couple of weeks ago
... Essential needs to be part of the exceptions. That's where we were at
... A changing content was never essential, and I was not sure about that
... I think one way to go is to add this to the expectations
... We need to decide if "essential" is sufficiently unambiguous as to be used in the expectations

Helen: What is essential to one person is not essential to other

Kathy: Sometimes use the stock market ticker, because it's constantly changing and if you stop it it gets out of date
... I guess they could offer a pause mechanism

Wilco: I am not seeing the problem on pausing a stock market thing. Does it change the information or functionality?

Helen: It just changes how new the data is
... Anything essential tends to be related to money

Daniel: That's legal transaction, money, or personal data

Tom: Cont down clocks are also another scenario

Helen: Also quizzes where they have to have real time for them to finish

Wilco: Either live this as an assumption, redefine it so that it is not ambiguous, or deprecate this

Tom: Can we have a note that when the rule passes the SC is not necessarily satisfied?

Daniel: How difficult would it be?

Wilco: Very difficult, it's not a technical aspects, it's a conceptual thing

Kathy: The third option would mean we'd list this SC as a secondary requirement

Wilco: Is this rule still useful?

Kathy: Do other rules use essential?

Wilco: I don't think so
... I think for orientation we did put it in the assumptions

Kathy: There is also on images of text

Wilco: Putting this in the assumptions seems consistent with what we've done in the past

Kathy: From our discussion of examples maybe assuming it is not essential is the most likely scenario

Wilco: That's what we've tried to mimic real examples where we don't have real examples

Helen: I think having an assumption and maybe we qualify that assumption slightly providing examples

Wilco: What if our definition of essential lists out know cases to clarify the intent
... Something is essential if it's part of a timer, involves data transmission, money transaction, etc
... and others

+1 to Helen's idea and Wilco's take-up of that idea

Wilco: Inapplicable example 3. We said it's applicable to the SC but not to the rule, so it makes sense for us to put it as an applicable example
... There is a way to pause that

Tom: Q7 -- I had a couple of different scenarios where it was not consistent

Wilco: GIST -- the applicability needs work
... Comment that content cannot be presented in parallel
... In both bullets there is that sentence "is presented in parallel" I don't think this accounts for that. Content should not be distracting you from reading. That seems to me like the safest option, full page text animations I can't think of any

Kathy: I thought that's what the "not alone" part on the applicability was trying to cover

Wilco: I think you are right
... If you have some updating text on the page and then you have a title, then the root element is going to have some inner text that is different from the part of the text that is updating

Tom: Some of my comment was about the fact that there are too many assumptions there

Wilco: Needs more work before publishing, I can take this on

Element in sequential focus order has visible focus (oj04fd)

Line height in style attributes is not !important

Tom: The ! before important, he was not sure if it was intended

Wilco: It is, it's how it looks like in CSS
... Does he mean the CSS specification? That seems like something we cannot affect
... I will going to dig this up
... Kathy points out that there are some open issues
... 668 and 6687
... Chris says these need to be resolved, I don't think so. I will double check
... I am inclined to say this is fine but I will reach out to Chris

RESOLUTION: Accept rule as-is pending confirmation with Chris

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

  1. Accept rule as-is pending confirmation with Chris
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