<scribe> Scribe: Helen
Daniel: Oops Shadi left and the meeting was his - and it ended so we need a new link for Zoom
<kathy> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OSkPFocXk4K3zYLnwS78WLsWO4PvE5yRcsauyefuIUI/edit?pli=1#gid=0
Kathy: For Meta refresh PR, the
update has not been shown in the standards so not ready to go
to CFC?
... last time this happened, Wilco had to figure out how it did
not update, but I am unsure of how to get it to update?
... I will send a note to the Community Group chairs for
help
... for the Object name and iFrame ones?
Helen: Being worked on and will be discussing the iFrame one in the CG meeting
Trevor: I have not had a chance
yet
... to look at the Role attribute one
Chris: I need to work on some change requests for the HTML graphics from Jean-Yves
Daniel: Page title - working on it
Kathy: Menuitem has a new PR
Kathy: 1898 - add a better
description to failed example number 2 - reviewers wanted -
Trevor and?
... we are skipping the ARIA ones
... #1873 - just need to action the PR request for change. I am
not sure on the next steps - so will update these to be
committed
Kathy: Issue #1875 - holding off
for now
... #1810 - we have looked at this as it is mapped to 1.3.1 and
a lot of the discussion is does it cause 1.3.1 to fail?
... last comments from Daniel says there are issues when using
JAWS and I added a related failure for 1.3.1 explaining the use
of incorrect structural markup can cause confusion, and Tom
added that although not explicitly call this out but we need to
confirm it
... I tested with the failed example, and described how NVDA
treats it, as a tree item is in the middle of a root item that
is not a tree
... All the others except #1172 are assigned to Wilco, #1172 is
assigned to Will any updates?
Will: No, not yet.
Kathy: These are added from implementers who are not running tests as disagree with the results
Kathy: This relates to updates I
have done for PR #531
... when they pass the test case, it is satisfied or more
testing needed - as I removed that and agreed to add it back
in
... I made an additional example
... I need to address some comments from Wilco, and did not
take up the suggested naming of "additional" from Helen
... please feel free to add them to the PR or mention them
now?
<kathy> https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/531
Will: Can you expand on this?
Kathy: Sure we have the
accessibility rule format, expects the failing SC in the
requirements
... So if you fail the AA 1.4.3 it also fails the AAA
1.4.9
... but some do not test AAA so these can cause issues
<thbrunet> I got booted and need Daniel's permission to rejoin
Kathy: so they are not in full
alignment with the rules, and are having issues in how to
include the requirements so they can include or not include the
AAA
... The secondary ones are being drafted to allow those with
issues with the AAA side can show they are implementing the
rules regardless of their support. So AAA are secondary to the
A or AA primary ones
... Wilco is wanting this completed so he can update the
rules
Kathy: We have a note from Chris,
but it seems to be resolved. But Wilco has a few
comments.
... I added a comment that a non-empty accname it is in the
accessibility tree - this is addressed
... Passed and failed example 1 from Daniel - "W3C" is not
enough as a brand name, Passed and failed 2 and 3 examples are
not clear why one fails and one passes
Daniel: The descriptions need updating as not called out why it fails exactly
Kathy: So update needed - Will?
Will: Sure!
Kathy: Wilco added a comment on
the first assumption about how can we assume it is
essential?
... we would have to update the applicability to allow for a
change here?
... how do we work this out as an essential update?
Will: For automation, it is hard
to check this as a manual check we need
... but it is not up to us to figure this out
Tom: I agree
Will: I want to add a note that manual checks are required
Trevor: We do not add a note for that though, like for images
Kathy: So can an automated tool check this?
Tom: We would flag it as a need review
Kathy: To be continued...