Meeting minutes
New Issue Triage
#415 htmlaam dont do anythng wo scott
core-aam#125
get filed on OWL w/ flag
#124
yes
#414
accname computation,
for input type image
5 can never be true
in 4.3.1 in accname computation
clarify what a usable text string is
empty string is not valid
#162, accname lazy loading script
jamesn: accname cant do anything with it
because visibility hidden is one them
script cant differentiate between normal functionality of the page and visiblity hidden
bug in the the lazy loading script
#DA its an implementation detail
#1759
revisit aria setsize = 1
jamesn: fix browsers to do this
anyone can comment on it
cleanup
#1758
put in 1.3
by jamesn
jcraig: why expose disallowed value to platform API?
jamesn: confused by spec last week
jamesn: doing different things depending on mapping
treated differently on different platforms super wierd
jcraig: spelling grammer, parsing error,
pass to API if not disallowed phasing is wierd
jamesn: which, ones are platform a11y api attributes?
jcraig: nm re: git blame, since this was brought in by joanie with other merged content
jamesn: might have made sense when it was in coreaam
rather than in ARIA
jamesn: needs writing that is understandable when there is an unknown or disallowed value
9.2 states and properties
New PR Triage
Deep Dive planning
no prs
deep dive on generic mappings ok for next week
Consider adding a 'decorative image' role
jamesn: tips app most images are decorative
jcraig: explore by touch
you will want a desc of an image that takes up 90% of the page
calling this decorative is part of the baggage
StefanS: mentions project that required a desc of decoratibe image
jamesn: more of a continuum
jamesn: meaningful, stuff in the middle, spacer
critical
things in middle
avatar
alt text on avatar
level of 0-10
tie in with adaptive personilation
jamesn: simplify UI
how much visual fluff do you want
jcraig: similar to verbosity
if critical it's clickable
verbosity set so high it doesn't matter
screen reader decides to render based on heading
DA middle ground is very important
to finding your way around
look for a persons profile
shows posts, contributions
revealing those with some level of verbosity will help if wayfinding
potietiallity for exposing patterns is worth exploring
jcraig: more detail would he needed for avatar
almost like roles
some people will want to minimize text
can't achieve w/ verbosity
jcraig: something as simple as a single spectrum should not cloud the solution
jamesn: simplification doesn't address this
jcraig: wai-adapt;content module
jcraig: distracted overwhelmed
num of controls
jamesn: that is a better direction
Tidying up section "Characteristics of Roles"
peter is not here
it makes no sense
jamesn: children presentation can't own anything
jamesn: to me that's an error
we should document that
jamesn: user agents should not be exposing the children anyway
jamesn: proposing feature for update to aria owns on roles with presentation children
assinged to himself
will tack aria owns restrictions in #1760
I'll review #1733
arigilmore: as well
Does aria-hidden obey DOM or AX tree ancestors?
jcraig: open questions
jcraig: did we define the order of the owned elements
?
jamesn: not defined but generally works
jamesn: used this before
jcraig: if you don't point to actual children they come first
jamesn: thinks the owned ones come first then everything else
jcraig: can you reverse order?
that would remove it
from DOM relationships
jcraig: surprised if these rules are interoperable between browesers
jcraig: learned since last time, unlikely that we need to
prolematic, more bugs
an owns relationship that reorders will be a major feature project for next year
jamesn:
flowto failure
owns solves these cases
AT buyin is hard for new properties
we have browser devs here
flowto and grabbed failed due to half baked
implementations
flowto is a11y only navition pattertn
palindrome mirrors
flow to doesn't solve
jamesn: only now are we doing complexity
1.3 issues
jamesn: excel sheet ordered by assigners
go through this if you have anything assinged for 1.3
jcraig: paste this into a wiki page?
jamesn: conversion is the problem
jcraig: saved github query
haha
jamesn: no sort by assignee
<jamesn> gh issue list --search 'milestone:"ARIA 1.3"' --limit 200 --state open --json number,title,assignees,state,url | jq -r '["number","title","assignees","state","url"], (.[] | [.number, .title, (.assignees | if .|length==0 then "Unassigned" elif .|length>1 then map(.login)|join(",") else .[].login end) , .state, .url]) | @tsv' > issues-$(date '+%Y-%m-%d').tsv