W3C

Accessibility Conformance Testing

Attendees

Present
Daniel, KarenHerr, kathyeng, Wilco
Regrets
-
Chair
Wilco
Scribe
KarenHerr

Meeting minutes

<zakim> Date: October 28 2021

CFC: Accept Lang valid tag, and form non-empty name rules

wilco: two went to cfc. don't think I got any objections.

Wilco: two +1s good to go

<Wilco> proposed RESOLUTION: Accept Lang valid tag, and form non-empty name rules

Resolution: Accept Lang valid tag, and form non-empty name rules

CFC: language input aspect update

<Wilco> https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/521/files

<Wilco> proposed RESOLUTION: Accept language input aspect update

Wilco: all approvals, can go in

Resolution: Accept language input aspect update

Follow-up on First attempt at defining implementations

<Wilco> https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/522/files

Wilco: ok with everyone to review on the pull request?

trevor: if we do all the editing on github and then do survey. is it all cfc then?

Wilco: it would be cfc.

<kathyeng> jennifer: minimal category is ok

<kathyeng> daniel: not opposed to "minimal" term

<kathyeng> wilco: there is an implementor who wants the minimal category

JennC: Minimal category is ok

dmontalvo: not opposed to "minimal" term

Wilco: here is an implementor who wants the minimal category

Wilco: what to do with approved and proposed rules with implementation

kathyeng: makes sense that approved rules would show list of implementations. where it says "may", we don't currently list any of them.

kathyeng: when we are proposing a rule - we need at least one implementation to get to approved. when it's approved, we're not listing the implementations that got us to "approved"?

Wilco: I think we are. but we don't do it for previous versions

Wilco: doesn't seem useful. just look at latest version

Wilco: in our policy, we need a complete implementation

Wilco: before we send it to AG

kathyeng: are we keeping history somewhere?

Wilco: no

kathyeng: would be useful to have background

Wilco: github has history, do we need more? do we want that level of detail

kathyeng: make sense to have implementation section for rules moving forward, at least implementations that got the rule approvied

Wilco: section already exists, but is different from changes

Wilco: do the implementations need to report the accessibility requirements?

Wilco: for example, my tool reports a rule as a best practice, where ACT says it's a violation of WCAG. is that a rule we want to say is consistent?

kathyeng: in one way, it is recording the issue

Wilco: do we want to enforce in some way that an implementation reports in a consistent way to what the rule says? we haven't so far

Wilco: as far as harmonization goes, it seems like something we should consider

Wilco: implementation tests image buttons in the same way they test buttons - it may not fail 1.1.1.

trevor: not as strong as failing a requirement.

Wilco: the big problem that's created from getting this wrong, is that the numbers can look quite different.

Wilco: if tool a reports a criteria under one , but tool b reports it under several.

Wilco: message from mike gower at ibm. considering adding only success criteria to each issue

Wilco: can be confusing to see one fix solving more than one problem.

<trevor> 0

Wilco: poll - +1 if in favor of adding a requirement for consistent mapping for success criteria

+1

<kathyeng> +1

<dmontalvo> +1

Wilco: we need the implementors to be on board with what it means to be consistent

Wilco: follow up question - is that a thing we want to do for the highest level of consistency

<JennC> +1

Summary of resolutions

  1. Accept Lang valid tag, and form non-empty name rules
  2. Accept language input aspect update
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