W3C

Accessibility Conformance Testing Teleconference

07 Oct 2021

Attendees

Present
KarenHerr, Jenn, trevor, Wilco, kathyeng, Daniel
Regrets
Chair
Wilco
Scribe
KarenHerr

Contents


<scribe> scribe: KarenHerr

language input aspect update

<Wilco> https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/521/files

Wilco: Minor update submitted to common aspects document

<Wilco> Rules with a Language input aspect can only be evaluated if the language can be determined (either programatically or by analysing content), and sufficiently understood.

Karen: what does "analysing content" mean?

Wilco: analysing in broadest possible terms
... lang attribute or read it

dmontalvo: Is it the rules that are evaluated or the test cases

wilco: not just about test cases. need some way to do it.
... where this matters. on an image with a text alternative. need to understand the language of the text alternative.

dmontalvo: will evaluate/think on it
... suggest changing evaluate to process

kathyeng: clarify "and sufficiently understood"

Wilco: some situations you cannot determine the language. that's all you need to know about that.

<Wilco> Rules with a Language input aspect can only be processed if the language can be determined either programatically or by analysing content.

Wilco: will take out text

<Wilco> Rules with a Language input aspect can only be processed if the language can be determined, either programatically or by analyzing content.

<Wilco> Rules with a Language input aspect can only be processed if the language can be determined, either programatically or by reading the content.

<Wilco> Rules with a _language_ input aspect can only be processed if the language can be determined, either programatically or by reading the content.

<Wilco> Rules with a language input aspect can only be processed if the language can be determined, either programatically or by reading the content.

Wilco: will put this in as a suggestion. will message john eaves to make sure ok. if so, want to send out as a cfc next week
... any objections: great

RESOLUTION: put the pull request 521 into cfc

ACT rules sheet

<Wilco> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OSkPFocXk4K3zYLnwS78WLsWO4PvE5yRcsauyefuIUI/edit#gid=0

daniel: Wilco 6751775 and 73f2c2 are ready to be merges

Wilco: how do we decide this is ready for AG now? process question
... does a cfc seem reasonable
... on kathy and wilco to send out

trevor: 78fd32 John and I have reached agreement on expectation
... added an example where we wrapped multiple lines - can see line height in play
... should we do for all examples?
... wilco mentioned using padding. would there be a way to test that?
... would be a bigger change

Wilco: only applicable to multi-line text

trevor: that mind shifts me. this all grew out of a small editorial change
... will update expectations
... go and dig up a couple of things

kathyeng: how to decide last approved and last update date

wilco: will eventually grab with json
... need to review every year

kathyeng: last approved is last AG approval

wilco: 46ca7f one pull request since been merged. another we have. rule doesn't map to wcag
... propose to AG "related rules" of opinion can go to cfc as well
... anyone disagree

kathyeng: there's a pull request that has to be resolved before I can do mine. 1444 has a lot of conversation between a few people
... should I wait for that to get resolved
... also 1386 blocker

wilco: suggest ping carlos to find out what status is for 1444

kathyeng: remove "work in background" does that involve changing text

wilco: that was karen's update - editorial changes

Update website migration

Wilco: I got a message from daniel today that we are on hold until all wcag 2 content is migrated to new design

dmontalvo: this redesign project involves rules, techniques, understanding documents
... take opportunity to plug all rules into wai website
... happy to followup offline

Wilco: significant - can't update rules pages anymore. stuck until redesign is fully complete

dmontalvo: did we settle that we were going to move over?

Wilco: plan to migrate over by EOY
... that's the latest on that. any questions
... for context trying to migrate all content of act rules website over to wai website.
... trying to publish content into new design

kathyeng: we can still update rule on our side, we just can't update rules on w3c?

Wilco: that's right
... scripts to update are now outdated
... could use old scripts to update

dmontalvo: expect not months for migration

Wilco: person working on techniques has left
... or by end of October
... all needs to be approved by AG
... will need to adopt the old content again. need to update current documents.

Open ACT pull requests

wilco: 1730 can be merged
... kathy will merge
... 1727 karen will merge
... accept cla too
... 1727, 1723 look ready
... 1719 daniel should review
... 1715 put in review this week

Surveying proposed rules

wilco: form field has non-empty accessible name

trevor: need more convincing that 3.3.2 couldn't be included in this rule

Wilco: can the accessible name be the label? the answer we came to was "no" because the label needs to at least be a visible thing
... labels can be used as part of the accessible name

kathyeng: additional explanation in understanding 3.3.2

<kathyeng> https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/Understanding/labels-or-instructions.html#dfn-label

kathyeng: under the intent section, fourth para down
... accessible name requirement under 4.1.2

wilco: agree explanation could be better

trevor: will take action item to rewrite next bit

wilco: two open issues that don't make much of a difference
... kathy identified pull request 1716
... already merged!

<kathyeng> I need to go too

wilco: explained why doesn't map to 1.3.1.
... are we good with this?
... needs updating
... thanks

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

  1. put the pull request 521 into cfc
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