W3C

– DRAFT –
ARIA WG

01 July 2021

Attendees

Present
BryanG, harris, jamesn, jcraig, Joanmarie_Diggs, MarkMcCarthy, sarah_higley, WilliamT
Regrets
CurtBellew PeterKrautzberger StefanSchnabel
Chair
JamesNurthen
Scribe
jcraig

Meeting minutes

[New Issue Triage](https://bit.ly/3h4uI9U)

jamesn: MathML 3 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1505

Any examples we can point them to?

jcraig: VoiceOver has native support for MathML... why ARIA?

jamesn: others in the group that could contribute?

joanie: MathML is being implemented in Chromium by Igalia

https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/940

jcraig: Assign to Neil Soiffer?

Action: jamesn to assign #1505 to Neil Soiffer

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2154 - Assign neil soiffer [on James Nurthen - due 2021-07-08].

[New PR Triage](https://bit.ly/3duHRag)

Confirmation - Are we meeting next week?

jamesn: I'm on vacation next week

cyns: available, but MS no meeting week due to holiday

jcraig: also available. but not the following week.

Bryan: avaiable

William: double booked

jamesn: joanie to chair or cancel at her discretion

[Meaty topic for next week](https://bit.ly/3hsVmZk)

No meeting next week, but meaty topic for the following week July 15

Cyns: Another deep dive on AccName?

jamesn: jcraig not available that week

[TPAC 2021](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1482)

jamesn: anyone to meet with, or not at all?

if no response, we'll answer Judy that we're not meeting

[When is hidden content taken into calculation of name and description?](https://github.com/w3c/accname/issues/57)

jamesn: consensus from deep dive was to consider using innerText

jcraig: on the surface it seems reasonable... still need to vet

cyns: same

joanie: colleague hakobo mentioned function to return innerText returns empty string when element is not visible

jamesn: in the debugger right now... seems to work

[Open PR reviews](https://github.com/w3c/aria/pulls)

https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1498

jamesn: still draft. Sarah?

sarah_higley: joanie asked me to link a test page.. will do.

https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1497

ready to merge, though joanie Scott, and Melanie discussing.

Scott: shouldn't need role=none on an image with alt=""

jcraig: is there still a implementation difference between `alt` and `alt=""`?

Scott: should be equivalent

jamesn: joanie, okay to merge?

joanie: okay to merge... though possibly add meaty topic for childrenPresentational

jamesn: agreed. merging.

Action: jamesn to merge #1497

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2155 - Merge #1497 [on James Nurthen - due 2021-07-08].

https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1496

Scott: "Do not restrict img naming to aria-label/labelledby" for example, <img> in HTML host language...

Bryan: would alt attribute work on div?

Scott: no b/c alt not allowed on div.... title attribute would work though

https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1494

"Prohibit presentation / none on where it causes conflict resolution"

joanie: still open, discussing.

Scott: please also add me as reviewer... may be some overlap with ARIA in HTML

https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1484

"Remove aria-level from listitem"

jamesn: reviewers will approve... thank you William!

https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1477

"Revisions to accessible name required"

mix of editorial along with normative changes.... because of the normative update, can't merge to 1.3 without tests....

jamesn: actually, I think I can because this doesn't change any UA requirement, only validators... so no validator tests required. any objections to merge?

joanie: should put this on the Wiki page for author MUST?

Scott: any validators identified that we should run tests against?

jamesn: axe and others

any others using same rule engine, axe is the primary using that rule engine

jamesn: planning to use the axe cli...

joanie: nu validator

jamesn: also some new ibm validator

https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1467

"aria-disabled and descendant elements"

jamesn: can I get another reviewer? (crickets)

(Scott bribes jcraig with a t-shirt "I'm fine, but check my fineness")

https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1454

"Update required owned elements and required context role"

jamesn: Sarah to resolve.. I will merge.

https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1298

"Update caption role example"

jamesn: not overcome by events.. limits example to providing accessible name

Scott: example was originally in there to show either caption or description.. this PR removes that.. We should not approve.

jamesn: b/c it no longer automatically names its parent

jamesn: overcome by events due to other changes in the naming mechanism to allow encapsulation and its inverse... but those are reverted, so PR #1298 is no longer necessary.

jamesn: adjourned

Summary of action items

  1. jamesn to assign #1505 to Neil Soiffer
  2. jamesn to merge #1497
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