W3C

Accessibility Conformance Testing Teleconference

15 Apr 2021

Attendees

Present
Daniel, Shadi, Levon, KathyEng, Wilco, Trevor, Susan
Regrets

Chair
Wilco
Scribe
Shadi

Contents


Survey on ACT & State

<Wilco> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/93339/act-state-22-04-08/results

<Wilco> https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/516/files

Trevor: can't find the corresponding rules

<Wilco> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/pull/1010

Wilco: not sure which they are either

<Wilco> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/pull/1010/files#diff-32079a0602a5a909b242b4e0961e7c5ddd6b6f5c9906b216d5bf21cf2ba13a77R32

Trevor: might need to be a little more clear
... on relation between applicable states and applicable transitions
... if you had different expectations and states

Wilco: when would that be different?

Trevor: maybe when you get into transitions
... might transition to a state that is not in the applicable states

Wilco: so expectations should remain true, while or until the transition to a different state is completed?

Trevor: we had ran into a specific example or two but not able to recall them now

Wilco: regardless of example, we probably want to have it this way

Kathy: applicable states is necessary whenever there are applicable states
... but there aren't necessarily always corresponding expected states

Trevor: transitions from one to the other might not always be clear

Wilco: using pseudo-class to always have a list of transitions?

Trevor: partially
... let's be very descriptive of the specific transitions
... maybe can play with definition of matching a pseudo-class
... for example to cover emulating pseudo-classes through JavaScript
... but might also introduce some vagueness

Wilco: two ways to do this kind of pseudo-class stuff
... either simulate the state (eg. simulate that the element is focus, for example by setting the corresponding styles)
... or actually trigger the state
... that distinction is not clearly made here
... another idea is to enumerate the inapplicable states instead of the applicable states

Trevor: how would you define the inapplicable state?

Wilco: gives you more flexibility
... for example decendant of aria-busy

Trevor: haven't thought about this
... intent of pseudo-class was not to limit other definitions

Wilco: we have definitions

Trevor: may need to be expanded

Daniel: could become very long

Trevor: could have flashing content during the transitions
... so wanted to include the transitions

Wilco: pseudo-classes do not have transitions
... but can see the issue

Trevor: very specific things that would be inspected
... would need to be defined better

Shadi: have you considered transitions as states?
... for example, the state of transitioning from "on" to "off"

Trevor: have not thought about it but can see it could be helpful

Wilco: think it is a good idea too
... next comment from me

Trevor: not want to do all permutations
... need to be selective of the key ones

Wilco: next steps?
... take this feedback back to the group and come up with another update?

Trevor: yes, can do that
... also come up with some examples
... would help if you can provide a brief write-up of the inapplicable states idea

Assigning rules for checking

Wilco: looks like getting a new process
... part of it is checking proposed rules
... thought of maybe assigning rules to people
... maybe two people per rule
... divided up over several coming weeks
... the usual quality assurance checking
... do people agree with this approach?

Trevor: yes, I like that

<Wilco> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OSkPFocXk4K3zYLnwS78WLsWO4PvE5yRcsauyefuIUI/edit?usp=sharing

Susan: sounds good Wilco!

Wilco: any objections to signing each of you up for 3 rules?

[no objections]

Wilco: how many rules?

[converging on 4-5 rules per week per person]

Wilco: will make assignments and send out the document
... will check-in every week

Moving the ACT TF call April 29th

Wilco: WCAG 3 Conformance Meeting conflicts with our 29th April meeting
... can we move?
... hour earlier or same time the day before (Wednesday)

[none of the options work]

Wilco: so will cancel the 29th but you will still have homework!

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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