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ARIA WG

10 Dec 2020

Agenda

Attendees

Present
jamesn, pkra, carmacleod, MarkMccarthy, Joanmarie_Diggs, harris_, CurtBellew, StefanS, Matt_King
Regrets
MelanieSumner, IsabelHoldsworth, JamesCraig, SarahHigley
Chair
JamesNurthen
Scribe
pkra

Contents


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Holiday Schedule - no meetings Dec 24, Dec 31

jnurthen: meeting next week, incl. deep dive before
... last meeting of year.
... and then Jan 7 2021
... #1366 - is this 1.3?

carolyn: yes.

jnurthen: no new PRs.
... next week deep dive topic: braille pattern input
... any disagreement?
... => all clear.

Updates on issues 1150 (Sarah), 1033 (Isabel), 1161 (Carolyn)

jnurthen: PR 1213

carolyn: I've addressed the comments.

jnurthen: great, will ask re-reviews from Aaron, myself.
... will try to merge next week

Tighten up Required Context Role: group<https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1359>

jnurthen: @all is this the right order?
... we have required context role and required owned
... do we need this? Seem like "yes".

curtis: so they can be in group if context is ok?

jnurthen: yes. That's how it's really been. We're not really adding anything.

carolyn: it clarifies. I think people look there so it's good clarification.
... I'd like more review.

jnurthen: I'm wondering if we need more in other sections, e.g., to explain the arrow here.

carolyn: that sounds good. I will try to do it.

jnurthen: maybe as a separate issue/PR.

carolyn: will create issue.

jnurthen: not sure if the order / direction of arrows is right.

carolyn: maybe that's right.

sina: could it be > rather than an arrow?

carolyn: the abbreviation is "containing"

curtis: maybe just use the word instead?

jnurthen: if it's not a problem, then maybe leave it as we haven't had complaints in the past.

https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/aria/pull/1359.html#option

sina: I also see just right arrow, abbr not coming through.

jnurthen: ok, we should fix.

sina: just add sr-only text.

jnurthen: maybe the word is better then.
... going back to order. I'd rather like group <= listbox

mattking: I agree, from screenreader point of view.

pkra: could we add the actual role?

sina: seconding matt's comment.

carolyn: so I'll flip it and add name.

sina: sr-only containing with aria-hidden on arrow

jnurthen: but abbr is standard.
... move that other part into editorial PR

Listbox and tree: clarify requirements for selected and checked<https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1340>

mattking: accepted some suggestions but want to change some more. responded to Sina's comment, but admittedly not too helpful.
... I feel like these exceptions are rare. We could make a separate sentence.

sina: even "generally should not" would help. people reading this might not differentiate enough.

mattking: if we add list of exceptions, do people here feel it's just as strong?

carolyn: might sound like they should use them in those rare circumstances.

sina: and they should - in those cases. Otherwise it doesn't work.

mattking: I just want "extremely rare" there.

sina: "rare" seems enough but ok.
... and it's fewer words.

mattking: ok, I'll work it in.

jnurthen: please add comment that people should speak up and that we plan to merge.

mattking: sarah ok'ed early. james approved.

jnurthen: yes, but let's give people one more note.

zakim: next item

Add a conditional on when aria-controls is needed<https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1335>

jnurthen: one more reviewer please.

mattking: I thought I had.

jnurthen: you had but there was a change.

mattking: on it...

Diagram in 5.3 need fixing or removing<https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1222>

jnurthen: we discussed it with Michael yesterday.
... he's happy to do it.

michael: just one off now, then automate.

jnurthen: looks like we can do that.

pkra: I'll look into that.

jnurthen: we should avoid adding confusion, e.g., for dpub aria
... just keep it for releases.

pkra: is the json manually generated?

<jamesn> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria/2020-09_CR/index.html#respec-offender-error-no-matching-dfn-found

jnurthen: yes but in the respec can export the json.
... in the respec menu button

sina: just a github action then?

pkra: yes!

Outstanding PR triage<https://github.com/w3c/aria/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aopen>

jnurthen: https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1354

carolyn: I added pkra but it's not really related.

jnurthen: any takers?

sina: I'll do it.

jnurthen: https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1332
... will add it to agenda for next time.
... https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1315

carolyn: UAs said no. But there are still inconsistencies that are worth fixing.

jnurthen: will convert to draft then.
... https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1298
... needs reviewers.
... https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1213

carolyn: I addressed the comments.

jnurthen: more reviewers?

curtis: I'll do it.

jnurthen: https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1188

mattking: wasn' this superceded?

jnurthen: good point. I'll ping Aaron.
... https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1162
... we're looking at that.
... https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1147
... should this be merged?
... merged.
... https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1127
... this is will need careful checking of each change.

mattking: on PR 1340, should "however" be "and"? "and if they do, they must"...

carolyn: let's continue.
... some other time.

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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