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Why does spinbutton support aria-activedescendant? #1350
jn
jamesn: would it cause problems? can we move to 1.4? 1.3 is pretty full already.
Misleading definition of combobox #1349
jamesn: mark as 1.3
carmacleod: would be nice if Matt could have a look, because combobox
aria-owns mappings incorrect #82
jamesn: marked as 1.3
For consideration: role=resizer #1348
mck: I remember writing something up for this, but don't remember the issues
joanie: we were trying to work around something
Recommendations for using the lang attribute with live regions? #1346
jamesn: I think we need to specify more around languages
carmacleod: agree, these feel like bugs
jamesn: 1.3
Add heading 4.3.2 Computation steps, indentation cleanup #94
<harris> formatting proposed solution: https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1106#issuecomment-714653889
jamesn: Trees?
carmacleod: Let's finish the checked/selected issue and then restart Trees later
jamesn: any other meaty topics?
<harris> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/762
mck: if JC is available, then let's do that one
msumner: I'd like to talk about announcing of page changes in SPAs
jamesn: file an issue and put deep-dive label on it, and we can do it next week
msumner: will do
jamesn: does anyone disagree with doing this?
mck: I strongly support doing this, and I don't remember why it wasn't done - might have been because we didn't want to add a new role at the time?
jamesn: we need to give a long enough timeline for people to change their implementation
mck: can user agents just do the mappings for both?
joanie: I think this would be a simple change for user agents - would have more of an impact for authors
jamesn: what is the actual benefit?
mck: makes it easier to use tooling like aria-query
jamesn: can we deprecate it for 1.3?
mck: it seems like a tricky thing to deprecate
joanie: I didn't find the exact source of the pushback yet, but it has been around since ARIA 1.0
jamesn: it seems like a lot of busy work for very little gain?
carmacleod: it would add clarity for authors
msumner: clarity is helpful for authors
sarah_higley: I haven't run across any that were incorrectly implemented; don't have a strong opinion though
mck: would have to look at the inheritance hierarchy
jamesn: widget doesn't add any
new attributes, it just inherits the global attrs
... perhaps the time would be better spent on more pressing
issues
mck: it might fit better in ARIA 2.0 where we are considering adding control patterns
jamesn: moving to 2.0
carmacleod: I can do this one
jamesn: should we move core-aam
to be an evergreen spec? always current, etc
... it seems like a positive change; we wouldn't change any of
our processes, would just have a stable branch and an editors
branch
MichaelC: from my perspective,
evergreen means we can maintain more easily. might have some
stability issues
... would need to do it for all AAMs at once
joanie: I support doing this for core-aam
MichaelC: might have to wait until next charter
jamesn: hearing no objections,
let's see what is required to go down this path
... won't bring up topic of doing it for ARIA spec until done
for AAMs
jamesn: propose we don't talk about this right now
sarah_higley: I added a suggestion
carmacleod: Do we really want to recommend checked instead of selected in multiselect lists?
jamesn: Just want to point out that "recommended" is an RFC keyword that means the same as SHOULD
mck: if that's the case, then we should back the wording off a bit
sarah_higley: my feelings are
split, checked is not as well selected; need to be clear for
authors
... the native multiselect keyboard interaction is not a good
user behavior
msumner: I think the OpenUI folks
are taking this on for native select
... so we should coordinate with others, UA, OpenUI
jamesn: I will ask JC and Aaron to review, will leave on the agenda for next week
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