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ARIA WG

05 Nov 2020

Agenda

Attendees

Present
jamesn, Joanmarie_Diggs, carmacleod, pkra, harris, sarah_higley, msumner, Matt_King, Bryan, MichaelC
Regrets
JonGunderson, ScottOHara, MarkMcCarthy, CurtBellew
Chair
JamesNurthen
Scribe
carmacleod

Contents


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<jamesn> https://github.com/search?l=&q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+created%3A%3E%3D2020-10-22+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+repo%3Aw3c%2Faccname+repo%3Aw3c%2Fcore-aam&type=Issues

Why does spinbutton support aria-activedescendant? #1350

jn

jamesn: would it cause problems? can we move to 1.4? 1.3 is pretty full already.

Misleading definition of combobox #1349

jamesn: mark as 1.3

carmacleod: would be nice if Matt could have a look, because combobox

aria-owns mappings incorrect #82

jamesn: marked as 1.3

For consideration: role=resizer #1348

mck: I remember writing something up for this, but don't remember the issues

joanie: we were trying to work around something

Recommendations for using the lang attribute with live regions? #1346

jamesn: I think we need to specify more around languages

carmacleod: agree, these feel like bugs

jamesn: 1.3

<jamesn> https://github.com/search?l=&q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+created%3A%3E%3D2020-10-22+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+repo%3Aw3c%2Faccname+repo%3Aw3c%2Fcore-aam&type=Issues

Add heading 4.3.2 Computation steps, indentation cleanup #94

<harris> formatting proposed solution: https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1106#issuecomment-714653889

<jamesn> https://github.com/search?q=is%3Aopen+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+repo%3Aw3c%2Faccname+repo%3Aw3c%2Fcore-aam+label%3Adeep-dive&type=Issues

jamesn: Trees?

carmacleod: Let's finish the checked/selected issue and then restart Trees later

jamesn: any other meaty topics?

<harris> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/762

mck: if JC is available, then let's do that one

msumner: I'd like to talk about announcing of page changes in SPAs

jamesn: file an issue and put deep-dive label on it, and we can do it next week

msumner: will do

For consideration: role=resizer<https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1348>

jamesn: does anyone disagree with doing this?

mck: I strongly support doing this, and I don't remember why it wasn't done - might have been because we didn't want to add a new role at the time?

jamesn: we need to give a long enough timeline for people to change their implementation

mck: can user agents just do the mappings for both?

joanie: I think this would be a simple change for user agents - would have more of an impact for authors

jamesn: what is the actual benefit?

mck: makes it easier to use tooling like aria-query

jamesn: can we deprecate it for 1.3?

mck: it seems like a tricky thing to deprecate

joanie: I didn't find the exact source of the pushback yet, but it has been around since ARIA 1.0

jamesn: it seems like a lot of busy work for very little gain?

carmacleod: it would add clarity for authors

msumner: clarity is helpful for authors

sarah_higley: I haven't run across any that were incorrectly implemented; don't have a strong opinion though

mck: would have to look at the inheritance hierarchy

jamesn: widget doesn't add any new attributes, it just inherits the global attrs
... perhaps the time would be better spent on more pressing issues

mck: it might fit better in ARIA 2.0 where we are considering adding control patterns

jamesn: moving to 2.0

Why does menuitemradio inherit from menuitemcheckbox?<https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1347>

carmacleod: I can do this one

Should core-aam be an evergreen spec<https://github.com/w3c/core-aam/issues/81>

jamesn: should we move core-aam to be an evergreen spec? always current, etc
... it seems like a positive change; we wouldn't change any of our processes, would just have a stable branch and an editors branch

MichaelC: from my perspective, evergreen means we can maintain more easily. might have some stability issues
... would need to do it for all AAMs at once

joanie: I support doing this for core-aam

MichaelC: might have to wait until next charter

jamesn: hearing no objections, let's see what is required to go down this path
... won't bring up topic of doing it for ARIA spec until done for AAMs

Should aria be an evergreen spec?<https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1344>

jamesn: propose we don't talk about this right now

Listbox and tree: clarify requirements for selected and checked<https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1340>

sarah_higley: I added a suggestion

carmacleod: Do we really want to recommend checked instead of selected in multiselect lists?

jamesn: Just want to point out that "recommended" is an RFC keyword that means the same as SHOULD

mck: if that's the case, then we should back the wording off a bit

sarah_higley: my feelings are split, checked is not as well selected; need to be clear for authors
... the native multiselect keyboard interaction is not a good user behavior

msumner: I think the OpenUI folks are taking this on for native select
... so we should coordinate with others, UA, OpenUI

jamesn: I will ask JC and Aaron to review, will leave on the agenda for next week

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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