<scribe> Scribe: Stefan

James: Agreement: Next meeting August, 13th
... 4 new issues ..

<jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1302

James: 1302 landmark nesting .. doese someone wants to take it?

Carolyn: we need decision .. then I can reply

James: we say should, not must

Harris: this is best practices issue, no violation

James: I agree
... there could be structure reasons where this is unavoidable

Janina: without something as aside screen reader has no idea that something is outside

James: you agree that this should be prohibited? Janina: Ys

Stefan: what about iframe content?

James: yes this is a issue so better not forbid it

<carmacleod> https://github.com/w3c/core-aam/issues/75

Joanie: no milestone on it

James: whatever you like for core aam

Meaty topic for next week

Carolyn: trees mac vs windows was a topic

James: can you ping me about to put it to discussion

James on 13th

Matt: tree thing is related to tree grids ..
... you can do without me if I have a meeting conflict on 13th

Carolyn: some dev want guys to join dicsussion

Janina: participation acknowledgement is on the chairs

Matt: I want Aaron on the call
... we have aria-level issues in treegrid
... can you turn list into treegrid .. these are open questions
... is there convenient and common way to be done

James: depndant on way data i pulled in ..
... but we have multiple topics to discuss, so Carolyn invite the deeply involved people, we need exxpertise

[ACCNAME and whitespace](https://github.com/w3c/accname/projects/1)

James: we made some progress on accname
... tackeling whitespace.. 9 related issues filed yet
... we should triage on whitespace issues
... OK? OK for Biran?

Bryan: I can do that
... since I own the spec .. makes sense

<jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/accname/issues/83

<carmacleod> https://github.com/w3c/accname/issues/83

Matt: different browsers/readers do different things .. if only accname spec changes maybe this won't help at all

Bryan: Jaws/NVDA need to be adressed first (error handling)
... needs to be negotiated across the board if there is common treatment agreement
... need to check CSS first because of technical reasons

Matt: are there differences in AT related to accname spec? this would be interesting to know

james: Bryan do you go through each of these issues separately?

Matt: any concerns about unexpected side effects .. ist complicated

ames: some of thm can be tackled separately, eg. nr 5

Bryan: yes, this is editorial

James: accdescription can contain whitespace and can be used to override title
... for accName that makes no sense

<carmacleod> https://w3c.github.io/aria/#aria-description doesn't mention an empty string value

Stefan: can accDescription be completely empty to override title? James: I think yes
... can aria-description be completely empty to override title? James: I think yes

Bryan: I handle the accName related stuff

Matt: (offers help)

James: what is whitespace for us? HTML and CSS defs differ here
... browser devs could answer that .. we need to as them
... I put this question on my top prio deep dive label list

Bryan: I give you update next time we meet

Matt: when we do change from deprecation to prohibiting .. what consequences have that for certain accName calculations?
... when things are prohibited accName calculation has to reflect that
... potential clash between accName spec and ARIA spec .. we need to synchronize that with ARIA always first

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