<janina> James, it's me!
<janina> Tricky finding the unmute!
<StefanS> scribe: Stefan
<StefanS> Scribe: Stefan
<janina> Yo, Mark!
<StefanS> Scribe: StefanS
<aaronlev> i'm dumb, i can't join the meeting
<aaronlev> "Join in Browser or Zoom App" leads me to some kind of MIT login page
<janina> https://www.w3.org/2017/08/telecon-info_aria
<jcraig> try a modern browser
<aaronlev> i used that
<aaronlev> it used to work in my browser
James: 1.3?
<aaronlev> i'll try on my cell
All: agreed
next: 1244
James: 1.3, no milestones?
... no objections
next item: 1242
<jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1242
James: anybody knows this?
Joanie: related to implementing
JCraig: I look into this
James: please add milestone than
next item: 70
JamesN: is 1.2 issue
zazim, next item
JamesN: no bandwidth, no F2F, no
mental capacity
... because of situation
Matt: overhelmed by too many things
Aaron: too many hours to focus on ARIA remotely
JamesN: additional meeting for
ARIA group to discuss single topics
... potentially I will put a poll around
... Tuesday could be potential aditional slot
... also possible one hour before this meeting
... with a 15min break between the meeting
JamesC: well people tend to talk longer in adjacent meeting about same topic..
Carolyn: This call one hour earlier?
JamesN: It might work, will be in the poll
Matt: Moving this meeting earlier will be a huge ask for me
JamesN: I will put all options in the poll
<jcraig> 9 o'clock Pacific is my commute hour... the traffic is terrible.
Aaron: what's good in the deep dives: less partipicants
<Jemma> 9am works for me. it is 11am for me.
<jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria-common/pull/39
JamesN: merged 1100
Carolyn: it is imformative the terminology section
JamesC: definition of focusable is normative?
Matt: definitions are not
normative
... they give hints for interpretation
... they give hints for information
Sina: If i use an object term it must be defined
Carolyn: HTML has already done
the definition of focusable
... why not just link to that?
JamesC: HTML def of focusable has probably merit, but need to check the def
Carolyn: there is a concept of inertness
JamesC: inertness in state of flux is problematic
Carolyn: in concept of inertness they dont mention dialog
Sina: 1 2 3 in last call: resolve those before closing issue out?
<jongund_> https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/interaction.html#focusable-area
JamesC: it defines
behaviour
... is there a meaningful difference between div not focusable
by default and others?
Sina: many old dev bugs related withthat
JamesC: click focusable or entity focusable?
Harris: should we mention that we talk about attributes and not properties?
Sina: what is the question to resolve?
JamesN: whatever we comeup with: is it what browsers do? I think no
Matt: it started in PR
exclude/include in ACC tree
... it hs to clearly define acc tree
JamesN: we cannot do this in this timeframe
<Jemma> <div aria-hidden="true">
<Jemma> <a href="#" tabindex="-1">foo</a> <!-- this is focusable -->
<Jemma> <input tabindex="-1"> <!-- so is this, right? -->
<Jemma> </div>
Aaron: we get bugs here automatically
Sina: at the time of focus in
hidden content browsers will differe what they do
... we got to put the burden somewhere
Bryan: when something intentionally recieves focus it is possible for browsers to change acc tree, it happens already for role changes
JamesC: you could never hide native focusable elements
<Zakim> jamesn, you wanted to say that this is all sounding like too big a problem for 1.2
JamesN: too big for 1.2?
JamesC: undo, then postpone for
later
... it is worth reopening
Sina: preserve conversation on this ticket please
Aaron: I would be cool with changing it doing it only on focus, happy with 1.3 thing
JamesN: deep dive topic
... we have conclusion to shift
JamesN: you have created the web page, Michael
Michael: I do the update
JamesN: this was waiting for changes
Matt: pusheed couple of comments
this morning
... JamesC hopefully you have seen this
... wording changed to address issues
<Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1178
Matt: 5 normative RQ were there,
now there are none
... PR is there
JamesN: reviewers?
Matt: do we need pos. feedback from Wilco?
JamesN: he reads on his own
... anyone welcome to review
... waiting for reviews
Matt: massive review effort
... need to make sure not to miss somehing
JamesN: needs some minor fixes
JamesN: please review
Matt: I did review
... ah changed -- rereview
JamesN: can anybody assist me here
Sina: I'll help
<jcraig> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1150
<Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1121
<jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1252
Carolyn: did it 2 hours before using basically MAtts words
Caroly: I just used textbox
Carolyn: step-wise description
how to change focus
... new phrase added (id)
... basically a phrase added who controls what
Matt: it is mostly about aria-activedescendant
JamesN: move to 1.3?
Sina: those combinations will work in reality?
Matt: spec is a bit inconsistent hiere, maybe editorial
JamesC: 1.3 maybe fine for
this
... 1.2 not to be shipped officially
... in 1.2 not to be shipped officially
... issue by AvK: number of props with datatypes other than
strings
... what to do with these they asked
... my concerns were less relevant after discussion .. minor
syntax changes needed
... i propose pull request and work out IDL changes
Sina: type consistency really matter here
JamesC: you can map to default
value, you don't need not nullable
... we ave default values in number of places, such as
aria-level=2
... enumerated string in nullable cases
Matt: also for aria-selected
JamesC: other places ..
setsize
... please comment in issue if you find something
https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1110
<Jemma> thanks so much, Stefan.
Matt: there are cases where we
don't define a default
... indeterminate values
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