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Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference

26 Sep 2019

Attendees

Present
Joanmarie_Diggs, jamesn, pkra, Irfan, carmacleod, Stefan, jongund, JaeunJemmaKU, Matt_King, CurtBellew, volker_sorge, aaronlev
Regrets
MarkMcCarthy, ScottOHara, HarrisSchneiderman
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
carmacleod

Contents


<scribe> scribe: carmacleod

jamesn: AriaAttributes cannot be nullable - 1.2 milestone
... Should extension specs be allowed to override required owned elements with subclasses? - later in agenda
... hidden and css visibility - any volunteers? we will look at it again next week

<Jemma_> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1054

jamesn: Output of child elements - not sure what this means?

stefan: maybe asking for parent's label announced when child has focus?

aaron: we don't change the accessible name of a child based on whether the parent has a label
... also, we don't tell AT what to do

<Jemma_> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1052

jamesn: heading with aria-level > 6 - mark this as 1.3 - it's not urgent

<Jemma_> https://github.com/w3c/core-aam/issues/53

jamesn: Need mappings for aria-rowindextext and aria-colindextext - 1.2

<Jemma_> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1049

jamesn: Let web developers signal their "DPAD mechanics"

joanie: doesn't seem like ARIA to me

jamesn: me neither
... When is hidden content taken into calculation of name and description?

<Jemma_> https://github.com/w3c/core-aam/issues/53

matt: this is thorny - need to wait until Bryan is back - need to discuss and make necessary adjustments in APG

james: assigned to Bryan and added 1.2 milestone

matt: please add to agenda for October 10

TPAC Round up and Actions

jamesn: useful discussions
... will not attempt to do accessible name changes for legend, caption roles
... too close to end of 1.2 timeline to put something this major in
... APG discussions about code quality

matt: haven't given up on combobox, can hopefully get all combobox issues closed by 1.2

<Jemma_> matt's presentation http://a11y.pro/combobox-TPAC2019/

stefan: is combobox role going back to input

matt: issues are not resolved yet

jamesn: TPAC next year is Oct 26-30 in Vancouver Canada

[feat: aria-brailleroledescription](https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/924)

jamesn: We have a PR that is ready to go?

peter: braille patterns or not, but don't mix
... now reads "consistes of a string of NO Unicode Braille patterns, or ALL Unicode Braille patterns
... added a note to discourage use
... I asked Sina what happens when there's a language switch - does at provide separate translation tables? does the braille display indicate the language change?

joanie: agree that the warning is really important
... don't use "User Agents", use "Screen Readers" or "Assistive Technologies"

peter: should I change it from a SHOULD?

joanie: keep the SHOULD
... screen readers have to separate out speech and braille
... some users might want german braille and english speech output

peter: the topic of translation tables keeps coming up - seems not standardized - do we need to open a discussion about this?

[Impact of deprecating WCAG 4.1.1](https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/770)

stefan: WCAG working group is considering deprecating WCAG 4.1.1
... what effect will this have on aria

james: I don't think it will have any effect on aria because any failure of 4.1.1 is a failure of some other SC

stefan: my initial thought was about forbidden nesting of aria roles
... maybe this is already handled by SteveF in HTML-AAM

james: the could certainly add a new SC about aria role nesting

[Plans for next F2F]

james: stefan asked if there would be a F2F at CSUN

straw poll

<Stefan> +1

<jamesn> -1

<volker_sorge> +1

<Matt_King> 0

<CurtBellew> -1

<jongund> -1

0

<joanie> 0 - I won't be coming

<Jemma_> not sure yet

<aaronlev> -1

<Jemma_> ;-)

<pkra> +1

<pkra> (to Europe)

jamesn: considering possible F2F in Europe in March or April?

<Stefan> +1 (europe) +100 Ireland

<aaronlev> +1 for ireland

<aaronlev> :)

<CurtBellew> +1 for ireland :)

james: more towards the end of April, beginning of May, since CSUN is in March

<CurtBellew> later in May is better for me

<Jemma_> feb?

<Jemma_> ;-)

[ARIA Annotations](https://w3c.github.io/annotation-aria)

jamesn: Aaron sent an email asking for wider review

aaron: I hope they are pretty close to being something that could be implemented.
... want to get people to look at it and try to find problems
... want to get it into google docs and other apps
... would really appreciate feedback because I want to move forward with this

matt: looking pretty solid, would like clarification of aria-details
... UIA can only specify one relationship

<Jemma_> https://www.w3.org/2019/09/16-aria-minutes.html#item02

matt: was there a precedence relationship between describedby and details

<Jemma_> "In some user agents, multiple reference relationships for descriptive information are not supported by the accessibility API. In such cases, if both aria-describedby" Matt'

<Jemma_> from the minutes

jamesn: I will look through the minutes

aaron: can we write aria-details in the aria spec to have non-normative text to point to this

Prioritizing work before Oct 24

<pkra> gotta go. bye everyone.

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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