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Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference

05 Sep 2019

Attendees

Present
jamesn, pkra, Joanmarie_Diggs, Scott_O, carmacleod, CurtBellew, Bryan_Garaventa, Stefan
Regrets
HarrisSchneiderman, MarkMcCarthy, MelanieRichards
Chair
JamesNurthen
Scribe
carmacleod

Contents


<scribe> scribe: carmacleod

https://github.com/search?l=&q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+created%3A%3E%3D2019-08-22+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+repo%3Aw3c%2Faccname+repo%3Aw3c%2Fcore-aam&type=Issues

https://github.com/w3c/accname/issues/56

jamesn: is this an issue for accname?

mck: the language of the page is the language of the label

jamesn: based on the presumption that you can change the language of a label

james: does someone want to own this and answer the questions

joanie: is the goal for AT to have automatic language switching?

james: I don't think any of these points are for accname

joanie: if the screen reader isn't doing the right thing, open a bug against screen reader

scott: I'll take it

all: thanks, Scott

https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1048

<pkra> of course of cours.

jamesn: Who can take this one?
... Leave it open for now

https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1047

jamesn: label as question

https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1046

mck: I'll take this

https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1045

joanie: won't fix; close it

https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1044

jamesn: on tpac agenda

https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1043

jamesn: any comments?

scott: probably best to leave over in aria-practices to avoid duplication

mck: people need to know what it takes to trigger a live region, and it needs to be accurate
... there will be a list in aria-practices

james: aim for 1.3

peter: perhaps this should be closed for now; can be reopened with more info later after aria-practices text is finalized

https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1042

scott: I'll take this one

https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1041

carmacleod: I'll take this because there's still an outstanding pr for what goes back into the accessibility tree

https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1040

jamesn: bug in our tablet section
... I've already looked at this - I'll take it

<pkra> james I feel I should offer to respond to the vague live region question / issue 1043

jamesn: please do!

<pkra> I don't want to ;-) just feel obliged.

<pkra> will do.

<jamesn> https://github.com/search?l=&q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+created%3A%3E%3D2019-08-22+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria+repo%3Aw3c%2Faccname+repo%3Aw3c%2Fcore-aam&type=Issues

Future Meeting Schedule

jamesn: no meeting next week or the week after, due to tpac. Will meet week after that.

[Agenda for TPAC 2019](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1001)

https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1001

<jamesn> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eeq-xg0li2IKEIiyKsqhv-QOxArtbTV3m0OrG8ns-w4/edit?usp=sharing

jamesn: link to schedule, above
... if not attending, and if there's a topic you want to discuss, we will schedule it early in the morning; please let us know
... please ask specific questions about the schedule in email
... joint meetings with several other groups - those can't be moved

[Issue1019 initial draft for accessible name using caption role](https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1020)

https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1020

jamesn: finally discussing caption role

<pkra> joanie would you forgive me for not getting up at 11am on Monday (4am my time)?

jongund: you can use captions in html, but no equivalent role, so added
... can be associated with figure, grid, or table

stephan: add treegrid

jamesn: what does it map to on the platform?

joanie: IA2, gecko have this

mck: allows naming of these things using separate element with role

joanie: ATK says you use the relation label-for
... if there is no accessible name, Orca looks for the label-for/labelled-by relation

<jongund> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria/issue1019-accname-from-caption/index.html#namecalculation

scott: why do both HTML caption and figcaption map to "caption" role?
... and there's a separate role for legend

jongund: because legend has clickable behavior

jamesn: the relationships point to the group, but one is a role caption and one is a role label

mck: speaking for screen readers: user has no idea whether something is a caption or a label - they are both announced the same way

<jamesn> https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/blob/6fcf06aae2ab396de947701e036de5c9b85f4d9f/source/controlTypes.py

jamesn: looking at NVDA source code, the role strings are there, so they could potentially be announced differently

jongund: I don't have a problem merging them

mck: do the aria mapping based on context - if the context is table, use a caption, etc

jongund: so a single role, say "caption", that AAM maps differently to platform roles

joanie: don't we have a proposed legend role that landed in master?

<Zakim> joanie, you wanted to say we should triple check the minutes and comments to figure out why we didn't do what I suggested in the first place

joanie: are we talking about nuking the legend role in the aria spec?
... in favor of hypothetically getting rid of legend role and only have caption role
... which is what I suggested in the first place....
... so we need to go back in the previous minutes to find out why we decided to go with separate roles

scott: I threw the wrench, so I'll do the research

joanie: scott and I will collaborate and hunt down this history

curt: I tested reading lang="fr" on a span with JAWS and it works

<pkra> gotta go. have fun at TPAC!

jamesn: if label has one lang and form field has another, who wins?

scott: the OS language wins out

<MichaelC> ARIA meeting page with remote participation info

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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