W3C

Accessibility Conformance Testing Teleconference

06 Jun 2019

Attendees

Present
Alistair, MaryJo, Wilco, Shadi, Romain, Charu
Regrets

Chair
MaryJo, Wilco
Scribe
Shadi

Contents


Update on exit criteria

WF: not as far as I had hoped
... updating ACT-R rules to the latest format
... slightly behind schedule
... hope to complete by the end of the day today
... would use that to fill our list of rules for the exit criteria
... need the e-pub rule

RD: ready by next week

WF: need a second manual methodology

SAZ: could check with some people

WF: fall-back could use Deque methodology

Update on publishing rules

<Wilco> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/ACT-rules-process/results

WF: survey in AGWG on proposed rules publishing process
... question about 3-step model
... was explained during the call
... also discussion about adding pages to the WAI website
... will be first publishing ACT Rules
... then looking at integrating them later on

<scribe> ...on-going project to redesign supplemental WCAG guidance

Capitalize "Web" used as a noun - https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/issues/374

https://w3c.github.io/manual-of-style/

[agreement]

Unintended "may" in Examples 17 - https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/issues/373

[agreement]

Unintended "must" in Introduction - https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/issues/372

[agreement]

Feedback of Orange accessibility team - https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/issues/371

[appreciation for positive feedback]

Level Access Feedback - Unspecified Input Aspects - https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/issues/370

AG: for example, no standard definition for accessibility tree
... could have different implementations for the same accessibility tree

WF: good point

AG: collection of show-case implementations of an accessibility tree

WF: how does that issue relate to the ACT Rules Format spec?

AG: guess does not need change to the spec but something we need to work on

WF: agree, maybe this should go to the ACT-R community group

AG: whatever group picks this up, we would want to contribute to it
... also relates to shadow DOM implementations
... all these areas need work in my opinion

WF: maybe also for the additional aspects note we have

[updates to the Note may be needed]

Level Access Feedback - General - https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/issues/366

AG: with the extent of questions I had, maybe need better example
... like the one in my email
... other issue is that different implementations have different outputs

WF: JSON-LD allows you to frame the input automatically in the structure you need

AG: makes sense, but still need simpler example

WF: wo
... working on updated documentation on the ACT-R website

AG: yes, not the easiest documentation

[add another example based on Alistair's suggestion]

Level Access Feedback - ACT Rule types - https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/issues/367

AG: the tests we write in our engine are very atomic
... which need to be combined together to become "atomic" as defined by the spec
... so we have 3-4 chains of composite rules
... but spec does not allow that

WF: reason for not allowing cascaded composite rules to be less tied to specific implementations

AG: makes it difficult for us to bring in our rules

WF: has been in the spec since the beginning

AG: yes, but didn't pop-up during reading only during implementation
... want to use this format internally
... for example rule on Button is not really atomic

WF: really depends on abstraction level

AG: want rule that addresses entire success criterion

WF: don't need rules to aggregate results

AG: isn't that the output mapping section in the spec?

WF: outcomes could apply to atomic rules too

AG: would expect rule for each success criterion
... could live with it for now, but could revisit in a future version

WF: could also add a note clarifying that aggregation within implementations is fine

Level Access Feedback - Atomic rules - https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/issues/368

AG: also here, happy to take this to next version

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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