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06 Sep 2018

Attendees

Present
LisaSeemanKestenbaum, JohnRochford, Jennie, kirkwood, shari
Regrets
Chair
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Scribe
JohnRochford

Contents


<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> clear agenda

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> scribe: JohnRochford

Proof reading and aproval of the next version of the gap analisis. See https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aNl2uIkNlbch1QXoBHY675DC9vnOuoKFq20arP1q3Oo/edit#

<steve> boy webex is getting complex to join!

Lisa: we want to get publications out as soonn as possible

<kirkwood> had a really difficult time with webex… dialing in…

Lisa: Is the proofing complete?
... Steve and Jan added a lot of changes.
... Anyone need more time to review?

Steve: Doc is very hard to read - is it in landscape mode?

Shari: Yes to Lisa's offer of another week for review.

working on the easy reading summary

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2018Aug/0030.html

Lisa: We discussed modifying John Rochford's easy-reading summary. Is it necessary to change it given doc recent modifications?

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> ACTION: jan to make second draft of easy reading summary

<trackbot> Created ACTION-293 - Make second draft of easy reading summary [on Jan McSorley - due 2018-09-13].

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2018Aug/0030.html

John R is very interested in how Jan will make his easy-to-read summary easier-to-read.

Steve says the word "abstract" is abstract itself.

Jan: I understand what what Lisa and Alastair are saying is that the W3C has its own format.

Alastair: Yes, there are restrictions.

Jan: W3C's format may not the best for cognitive disabilities if it excludes easy-to-read summaries.

Alastair: There may be other places, such as the WAI section, which have a better format for reading, are less restricted, and easy-to-read versions could be placed there.

Jan: Asks Alaistair for the guidance about why an easy-to-read summary would not be included in standards docs.

Alastair: Will try.

John R admires how much better Jan expresses his concerns than he is.

Lisa: Suggests we consult with Janina about this.

Lisa suggests we change abstract to easy-to-read summary.

<kirkwood> +1 to abstract being an easy reading summary

Lisa suggests we add editor's notes that say we will make sections easy-to-read and that follow the correct format.

Lisa: My strong suggestion is that we copy over content from WCAG.

<Jan> Jan present+

Steve: Downside is that some sections are quite large.

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> more works - coping the wcag proposal beifits section and text with editors knows to redo for easy reading and tempate

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> +1

<Jan> 0

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<steve> +1

<Jennie> 0

Lisa: Should we do a few of them and evaluate?
... Should we do it because there are no objections?

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> 4. Make it clear what are controls and how they should be used (Technical details: On (Jan)

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> coga github: visually-clear-controls.html wcag issue 36

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/pull/103)

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/36

Lisa: I think we should do it since there are no objections.

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2018Aug/0056.html

Lisa: Which ones are people prepared to do of the ones we have on that page?

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> - Avoid too much content on the page - Make the purpose of each section clear merge - Make it clear what are controls and how they should be used - Make it easy to find the most important things on the page(john kirkwood) - Use a clear navigation (half) - Make it easy for the u

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> - Avoid too much content on the page

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> - Make the purpose of each section clear merge

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> - Make it clear what are controls and how they should be used

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> - Make it easy to find the most important things on the page(john

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> kirkwood)

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> - Use a clear navigation (half)

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> - Make it easy for the user to undo actions

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> - Avoid data loss and “time outs”

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> - Provide feedback (Shari)

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> - Tell the users about any fees and charges at the beginning of a task

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> - The user knows when the content changes

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> - Avoid interruptions

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> - Avoid too much content on the page

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> - Provide help (which includes make it easy to find)

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> - Provide human help

Steve agrees to do a couple.

Jennie offers to do a couple.

<kirkwood> yes

John K will do the ones with his name listed on them.

<kirkwood> ok I should put my name next to one or two of them correct.

John R to John K: Your name is already listed next to one or two.

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> Help users understand what things are and know how to use them

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> Understand Actionable Elements

<kirkwood> interactive elements?

<kirkwood> clickable?

<kirkwood> ok then we can remove

Lisa: Do we orient our terminology to Web developers or others?

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> Help users understand what things are and how to use them

Lisa: Are we using Stack Overflow terminology?

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> users understand what things are and how to use them

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> undandandable elements

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> undandandable elements - users understand what things are and how to use them

<Jan> +1 to understandable elements - users understand what things are and how to use them

John R suggests "understandable elements (what things are and how to use them)

<shari> +1 to understandable elements - users understand what things are and how to use them

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> +1 to understandable elements - users understand what things are and how to use them

<Jan> +1 to John R's suggestion

John R suggests format "technical term (simple explanation)

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Steve asks who our audience is.

John R to Lisa: Must go now. Will be out the next 2 weeks.

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> 1. wide an audence inside content devlopers including people just adding text to a template

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> 2. limit to "profetional web devlopers " (mid level and up )

<Jan> Sorry - had to drop for another call

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> +1

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> (with an advanced tag)

<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> steve : use advaced tag)

<steve> 1

<Jennie> I like the advanced tag idea

<steve> with Advanced tag

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: jan to make second draft of easy reading summary
 

Summary of Resolutions

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