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<scribe> scribe: joanie
<jamesn> advance regrets for Feb 15 & 22
https://github.com/w3c/aria/projects/3
JD: Update is that we have some feedback from one Web Components person
<jongund> JD: I need to reach out to screen reader developers
https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/696#issuecomment-363567327
<jongund> JD: Dominic has given feedback
<jongund> JD: Should we have more than one role for lists
<jongund> MK: SR does tell you something different, but they could say numbered list or bulleted list
<jongund> JD: I ant feedback from SR companies what they want to know about certain
<jongund> JD: ARIA attributes is a place where informatuion is placed
<jongund> JD: It is not ARIAs problem an API lacks a feature
<jongund> MK: One way to answer this question for ourselves, has any SR developer asked for a feature
<jongund> MK: Some issues the spec provides a sufficient answer
<jongund> JD: I agree, but we need to talk SR, we need everyone to chime in
<jongund> JD: If someone doesn't respond we can observe current behaviors of SR
<jongund> JD: I am making role parity a standing topic
<jongund> JD: We promised other W3C groups we will do this, so we need to stay on top of it
<jongund> JD: Is Bryan here?
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2018JanMar/0144.html
<jongund> JD: I need to do more stuff on accname, we will get to soon
as far as I understand implementations of the text alternative algorithm
do not yet yield consistent results. I now started two project that may
help to improve this situation:
<jongund> JD: There is a Tobis... , he participates in IG group list
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2018JanMar/0145.html
<jongund> JD: He states that the accessible name algorithm does not produce consistent results
<jongund> JD: Bryan participated in the discussion, can you shed light
<jongund> BG: I have done some research, basically agreeing with his issues
<jongund> BG: You have the algoritm in the spec, and what you have browsers doing, and there is a different
<jongund> BG: There are areas in the spec, I am building a algorithm and will include items where the spec falls short
<jongund> BG: You can't treat block and inline level the same, there have to be a way in the browers need to figure out these things
<jongund> JG: WIll it include CSS display and hidden styling
<jongund> BG: It should include everything
<jongund> MK: I just wanted to say 2 things
<jongund> MK: I am glad you are doing this
<jongund> MK: The timing is not horrible
<jongund> MK: JD if we are in a position to make adjustments to the spec
<jongund> MK: Let's bring into fold
https://github.com/w3c/accname/issues
<jongund> JD: The specs are now in individual repositories
<jongund> JD: You can file issues in each respositories
<jongund> JD: If the dependencies are on the mappings, those go into core AAM
<jongund> JD: ACCNAME will only contain the algorithm
<jongund> JD: If we are blocking other specs, and we doing ...
<jongund> JD: If you have a proposed changes to ACC name, I needed them yesterday
<jongund> BG: What I am doing right now I am discoveriung the holes right now, should have ready soon
<jongund> BG: There is not specifically wrong, but there are gray areas in the implementation
<jongund> BG: If there is not aggreement in the gray areas, people will do it different
<jongund> BG: Single select is different than multi-select
<jongund> BG: In role=litbox, you need to support mult-select
<jongund> BG: You need to identify widgets based on their roles
<jongund> BG: I am adding a lot of notation in the code, I am trying to get all the browser vendors on the same page
<jongund> JD: Sounds awsome!
<jongund> JD: The sooner we get the changes in the better
<jongund> MK: The important part is to pull out the gray areas that can be filed as issues
<jongund> MK: SOme of the ones you brought up could require a significant amount of information
<jongund> MK: Some roles this way and other roles another
<jongund> MK: Block versus inline is simple, it is pretty implicit that screen readers do, there is no way for an author to make explicit
<jongund> JD: We need to answer Tobis, to figure out what the spec should say
<jongund> BG: I will try to be as clear as possible
<jongund> JD: I want to hold off a week or two to see if we will have changes
https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/684
Is activating a tri-state toggle limited to toggling between aria-pressed=false and aria-pressed=true? #684
<jongund> JD: The first issue is assigned to MK
<jongund> MK: I will do a pull request
https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/511
Clarify that owned-by author rules need explicit role attributes #511
<jongund> JD: The next is for a colleague of JN
<jongund> JD: There is a pull request
<jongund> JN: I forgot to talk to him, he is at salesforce
https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/681
Need to sanity check roles which support aria-expanded #681
<jongund> MK: Sanity check on aria-expanded
<jongund> MK: We discussed in Authoring group
<jongund> MK: I am not sure how to do it, it is how inheritance works, but should not be on structural roles
<jongund> MK: Should the wording be changed in one pull request and another for the role changes in another
<jongund> JD: I am not sure, the inheritance ...
<jongund> JD: I can help you with the changes
<jongund> MK: I can figure that out
<jongund> MK: I am not 100% sure if we will ever run into the ....
<jongund> JD: That is everything on my list
<jongund> JD: Is there anything else?
<jongund> JN: I think we should discuss what we want in the ARIA spec
<jongund> JD: We need authors to discuss or the fulll group
<jongund> JN: He is asking for a change in behavior
<jongund> JD: JN can you write up some notes
<jongund> JN: I can work on the plane to India
<jongund> JN: If we don't fix it, there will remain a problem
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