<mck> METTING: ARIA APG Task Force July 31, 2017

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Menu and Menubar Project

scibe: jongund

<scribe> scribe: jongund

<mck> Projec page https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/projects/5

AA: On the last call JN was going to assign some reviews, but I did not get an assignment

MK: I didn't see anything in the notes about assignments
... I did not seen anything in the last meeting about the project pages for each widget
... Not all the features of the project pages are accessible
... There a opportunities for working group members to help withproject related tasks

<sirib> everything for this project shown as Zero

MK: I want this to be a place for people to see what we discussed about a widget without having to search the discussion
... There are about 43 issues in this space, but ost are closed
... I need help, since drag and drop is the way this page works

<mck> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/projects/5

MK: discussion of github project features ...
... discussion of being to update and edit project information ...
... I will discuss with MC and JN the ability for people to edit project information
... I cannot edit the projects until Github fixes the keyboard access issue

Menubar pull request

MK: What did you mean?
... The pull message was not clear
... It looks like the changes, removing JS that does not do anything

JG: There was a couple issue, including looking at the wrong place for the labels

MK: For the purpose of teaching

<mck> example page: http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/examples/menubar/menubar-1/menubar-1.html

AA: This is a pull request, what is the issue

JG: There was a bug in the code

MK: I don't want the javascript to not create the label
... I am concerned the second example is more complicated and may confuse people
... If you compare the the source code of the two examples you see the roles in the right places
... Take out example 2 and simplify the JS code to not put the ARIA in
... It also sets up one example per page ideal

JG: We need labels on the MENUs?

MK: Currently only touch based screen readers take advantage of the labels

MC: On desktops like JAWS and NVDA do not use the labels on the menu

MK: I will raise this issue with screen reader companies
... From a best practices we should include them
... Are there any objects to simplifying this example page

AA: Fine with me

Siri: Fine with me

<mck> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/410#issuecomment-313885943

ARIA-EXPANDED in MENUBAR

MK: The ARIA spec does not allow aria-expanded on menuitem
... In the desktop world this problem did not exist

Siri: When you use aria-controls ...., it won't see the parent role

MK: in native operating systems they don't see the parent
... The validator chock on this practice, we raised issue 454 against aria
... We have a couple choices
... Change the examples to remove aria-expanded, this has a big down side, and we might add it in later
... Another approach is to put notes in the document about this issue and to ignore this validation error
... I don't think the validator will change before the spec changes, but we hope to get a commitment on the change

Siri: Agree with MC on the later

MK: I am going to add issues to the ARIA spec and discuss resolution with chairs

VNU checking

MK: The HTML validator for HTML5
... It allows us a process to check our code against the W3C validator

AA: Is this why we got the all checks failed?

MK: The reason is the respec javascript and it changes the shortcut code into fully resolved URL
... in our build we are getting a timeout on our curl script

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Present: AnnAbbott matt_king ShirishaBalusani JonGunderson
Found Scribe: jongund
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Agenda: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/July-31%2C-2017-Meeting
Got date from IRC log name: 31 Jul 2017
Guessing minutes URL: http://www.w3.org/2017/07/31-aria-apg-minutes.html
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