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<scribe> agenda: ISSUE-682/ACTION-1745 (Joseph) What happens to required owned elements when the @role is different that the element's default? E.g. <table role="dialog"> … </table>
<joanie> scribe: joanie
<clown> issue-723?
<trackbot> issue-723 -- UIA mapping for application incorrect -- raised
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/723
JS: I did a bunch of
modifictations to UIA mapping. You, Cynthia, wanted to
double-check a couple.
... One was application.
<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-application
JS: Link above.
... (Reads from spec)
CS: I think that's ok.
... It's either pane or group. And neither one is ideal.
JS: I will take the TBD off and sometime this week commit the change and close the issue.
<clown> issue-730?
<trackbot> issue-730 -- UIA mapping for article incorrect -- raised
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/730
JS: This one is article.
CS: So article is not a landmark
anymore.
... But I'm not sure what to do with them as a
non-landmark.
<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-article
JS: You said localized control
type is article.
... And control type is document.
CS: I think we should change it to group; it's not a document.
JS: I'll point out that it's a document in IA2 and ATK.
JD: This is why I'm in the queue. An article is not a document.
RS: If you want to make it a document, you might want to tell....
JS: Actually I confirmed it in Firefox for IA2.
CS: A document is not a smaller thing; it's more of a top-level thing.
JS: The superclass role of
article is document in ARIA.
... The mapping spec for ATK/AT-SPI2 has ROLE_ARTICLE.
JD: Aha, so Firefox is just not doing that.
JS: I will change UIA control type from document to group and remove TBD for the localized control type.
JS: This is just a quick, friendly reminder.
RS: It's probably a little late
since it's going out the door now.
... But feedback would be great.
... I need to look at the subroles on Mac as they don't have
everything we need.
<clown> Issue-682
<trackbot> Issue-682 -- Clarify what happens to required owned childrens' roles when native host language parent is overridden with a WAI-ARIA role. -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/682
JS: This is something that came
up at the last ARIA meeting.
... : It got transferred from the spec to the mapping spec.
<clown> <table role="dialog" > … </table>
JS: If you do the above....
... What happens to the required owned elements of the
table?
RS: Why would you do that?
JS: Maybe you wouldn't it.
BG: Setting dialog on the table element?
JS: Yes.
BG: I've actually done that.
CS: One possibility is do the same thing as role presentation; the other is author error.
RS: You could say role dialog is
not allowed on a table.
... I'm ok with making them presentational.
... You could do this with a list.
JS: I've seen this done with an unordered list with role menu
RS: Is this the spec or mapping?
JS: I thought the spec, but during the ARIA meeting everyone seemed to think it belonged in the mapping spec.
RS: Make them none or presentation?
JS: I will do both as we're still in transition.
(Group agrees)
JS: Triage time!
<clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23
JS: We're trying to hit ARIA 1.1
soon.
... The list of issues and actions is at the URL above.
action-1309
<trackbot> action-1309 -- Cynthia Shelly to Determine the best place to map aria-colindex and aria-rowindex for UIA. -- due 2015-12-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1309
<clown> action-1309?
<trackbot> action-1309 -- Cynthia Shelly to Determine the best place to map aria-colindex and aria-rowindex for UIA. -- due 2015-12-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1309
JS: Action 1309 is due today.
CS: I still need to figure this
out.
... Please give me another week.
... Make that two weeks.
RS: We're going to start shutting
things down in a week or two.
... Sometimes people use navigate by row in email
clients.
... You might want to have rowindex there as well.
JS: It's that setsize thing again (where does the property belong, on the children or parent container?)
CS: Repeating the property is a performance issue.
<clown> action-1373
<trackbot> action-1373 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create a test case for when aria-posinset and aria-setsize are provided explicitly on some but not all elements. -- due 2015-12-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1373
CS: I've not done this one
yet.
... When do test cases need to be done?
RS: We have to create the
testable statements.
... The week I'm out, Michael will start coordinating the
testable statement creation.
... So we'll start this discussion text week.
CS: When do you expect to have the tests done?
RS: You need testable statements
first. :)
... We're probably going to go to CR in March.
... We should have tests done by February.
CS: Ok, let's go with February 1st for this action item.
JS: I would think you'd write the
test cases and statements at the same time.
... Because it's in your mind then.
RS: It depends on who is writing the tests.
JS: Action item due date updated.
action-1528
<trackbot> action-1528 -- Alexander Surkov to Bolter to investigate the proper ia2 mappings for aria-current -- due 2014-11-18 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1528
action-1529
<trackbot> action-1529 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Investigate the proper atk/at-spi mappings for aria-current -- due 2014-11-18 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1529
action-1535
<trackbot> action-1535 -- James Craig to Investigate the axapi mappings for aria-current. -- due 2015-08-18 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1535
JS: We need to create an action for UIA, unless it's done.
<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaCurrent
RS: So Alex has never sent you a mapping?
JS: There's a long discussion on the IA2 mapping in which Alex objects because it's different from ATK.
<clown> http://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/accessibility-ia2/2015-September/001939.html
JS: The above is the last message in the list.
RS: What happens when you have a navigation list with links?
<clown> scribenick: clown
JD: the locus of focus for a list
item is 'selected'
... the locus of focus for a focussed widget is
"focussed"
... for the current link in a list of links, we use
"active"
RS: If you tab through the links, the one with focus is not the active one, necessarily
JD: The "thing" you are
on...
... There are different states for the thing you are on.
... Putting active on something not focusable nor selectable is
not a problem.
RS: Alex says that not possible?
JD I'd have to go back to list.
<joanie> scribe: joanie
RS: (Reads list message)
JS: Alex is saying if you have a
widget that say is focused(?), it will be active in IA2 and
ATK.
... Joanie says that it's not active in that case; it's
STATE_FOCUSED.
... Alex is agreeing with James Teh.
... James Teh is responding to Joanie.
... You might need to read the entire thread.
RS: Ok, I'll do that.
JS: What I was going to do is
respond to this one and say, "Progress? What's
happening?"
... I know that Joanie wants the current item to map to
STATE_ACTIVE.
RS: I think that's fine. I don't understand Alex's concern.
JS: I mentioned they are working
on it for AX API.
... It looks like they finished and closed the bug.
<clown> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146012
JS: From the bug above, they have
values in AX API corresponding to the different values for
aria-current.
... AXCurrent is what they are going to use.
RS: So how are you going to do the active state for that?
JS: ATK is going to use the object attribute
RS: That makes sense.
JS: The only thing about this
bug. There's a wrinkle in ATK/AT-SPI that when you change the
state it spawns an event.
... And an AT can listen to that event.
... Apple doesn't have such a state.
RS: I'll follow up via email.
<clown> http://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/accessibility-ia2/
<clown> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/accessibility-ia2
<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#mapping_events_selection
JS: I will ask James Craig if there are any notifications for AX API.
<clown> Expose current=<value> in AriaProperties.
CS: Confirmed.
JS: Do you want an event?
CS: We get a property-change
notification.
... So I don't think we need to do anything additional.
JS: Anything else on aria-current?
action-1530
<trackbot> action-1530 -- Cynthia Shelly to Investigate uia mapping of role="text" -- due 2014-11-18 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1530
JS: You made some suggestion.
This is for role="text".
... I added for UIA use the text control pattern.
CS: Some things have chanaged in
Edge. We no longer have separate text patterns per
element.
... So I think role="text" is going to be the same as
role="presentation"
... So not mapped. We'd expose the string as part of the page's
text pattern.
<clown> <img role-"text" alt="hi">
RS: So how do you get things like lines if you have things in the middle of the content.
CS: The text pattern does
that.
... We have one big text pattern for the entire document.
... Paragraphs are a thing inside the text pattern.
... Headings are not elements; the are an attribute of a range
within the document text.
... There's not a separate node in the tree.
... It's similar to what's done with spans.
... For this one, I'm not yet sure how to map it.
... I think it's going to do the same thing as presentation,
but I need to verify that.
JS: What due date?
CS: Give me a week from Tuesday (the 15th).
JD: I won't be around next
week.
... I think Rich won't be around next week. Cynthia just
indicated the same.
Conclusion of group: No meeting next week.
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