<trackbot> Date: 07 October 2015

Ken had commented "Adobe applications tend to prefer the horizontal advances in the CFF over those in the 'hmtx' table.", is that the comment you were referring to?

<scribe> scribenick: rsheeter

Face to Face

Where is it?!

kuettel to tell us where

<jfkthame> RSheeter: yes, that sounds like what i recall. and i checked, the spec at https://www.microsoft.com/typography/otspec/hmtx.htm definitely says they should use hmtx widths

That quote is from https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webfonts-wg/2015May/0038.html

kuettel: perhaps we should have an agenda? And maybe we could get the compression team to come tell us the latest on woff2, brotli perf gainz, etc

Vlad: You are out of order, QUITE out of order!
... (but it's ok)

(I think me and jonathan are guilty too, having mixed in hmtx)

HMTX

in particular, making it optional, as proposed in https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webfonts-wg/2015Oct/0009.html

(basically we should allow null transform)

(dissent fails to arise)

jfkthame: Should we support a null transform (which would ahve to be 1) for glyf/loca

kuettel: undoing the preproc may also be costly in time so for use cases where you decode many times it could be helpful

we could gather size/time data for both options to better compare

FYI we serve *only* woff2 to supporting Firefox versions; https://twitter.com/googlefonts/status/634031795059556352

(discussion of using 0 for glyf/loca null transform, which would break all existing files)

Vlad: messy short-term but perhaps better long-term?
... null transform might also be useful to incremental/streaming fonts, as services like Typekit do

jfkthame: We could even recommend "profiles" for usage (particularly as we get more transforms)

(compact, fast, etc)

Note also that if a caching client is doing the decode many times we could pay the decode fee (time) repeatedly

action rsheeter Try time (decode) and size for null glyf/loca xform vs regular vs woff1

<trackbot> Created ACTION-186 - Try time (decode) and size for null glyf/loca xform vs regular vs woff1 [on Roderick Sheeter - due 2015-10-14].

Vlad: we agree to modify hmtx as suggested (0 is null transform and transform isn't mandated)

action vlad Incorporate Jonathans hmtx suggestion into spec

<trackbot> Created ACTION-187 - Incorporate jonathans hmtx suggestion into spec [on Vladimir Levantovsky - due 2015-10-14].

Face to Face timing

Vlad: to accomodate time zones for jfkthame and Zurich probably want to do compression update first thing

kuettel: Maybe compression 11am Sao Paulo time to allow for logistics

<kuettel> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20151013&p1=268&p2=233

All: discussion of what time will work for all locations, leaning to 10:30 or 11:00 am sao paulo time for compression. kuettel to confirm.

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20151013&p1=268&p2=233&p3=136

that's London, Zurich, and Sao Paulo

Vlad: so we are planning compression update, test suite discussion, and planning for any future items. Also coffee.

Scotch

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