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<jamesn> scribe: annabbott
<scribe> scribe: Ann_Abbott
Matt: discuss where we are with example development
Michiel: remove or remark all example code except Alert
James made the edit
Matt: first column needs tabpanel & treeview as Reviewed
Jemma finished checkbox (3 examples) and Jon will review for next week, then move on to radio button
Jemma will review tri-state checkbox with Jon
Jemma: Jon will review tri-state checkbox
Matt: any other table updates needed?
crickets
Ian will draft coding practices
Matt: next week add to agenda coding practices for examples
Michiel: I'd by HAPPY for you to take over as scribe!
<MichielBijl> scribe: MichielBijl
<annabbott> MILLION THANKS!
Matt: in terms of expectation, Jemma, do you think your checkbox example will be ready next week?
jemmaku: yes
Matt: is the description to desktop-land orientated?
A collection of commonly used function buttons or controls represented in compact visual form.
The toolbar is often a subset of functions found in a menubar, designed to reduce user effort in using these functions. Authors must supply a label on each toolbar when the application contains more than one toolbar.
Authors may manage focus of descendants for all instances of this role, as described in Managing Focus.
jamesn: some problems with
toolbars
... people want to put more than buttons in toolbars; like
textfields or dropdowns
... how does this work with keyboard interaction; left and
right arrows in a textbox behave different than in the toolbar
itself
Matt: is there a restriction on the content of a toolbar?
jamesn: no
Matt: does it make sense to have it in the toolbar?
jamesn: the UI designer want's to put it there
bgaraventa1979: then it's not a
toolbar
... AT will announce the number of buttons in a toolbar
... putting in other stuff will mess up the count
jamesn: isn't that a AT problem?
yes
Matt: it could be grouped in a grid (toolbar and other stuff like search fields)
jamesn: I'm very much against that
bgaraventa1979: you could use a region; you have quick navigation
jamesn: the problem is that you then get inefficient keyboard navigation
bgaraventa1979 this is what you meant right: http://codepen.io/Michiel/pen/ZbKbLo.html
<jemmaku> +question
+question
IanPouncey: problem with aria is recognising how to use it. Mixing input methods makes it harder.
Matt: that is why I advocate that people don't put stuff inside a toolbar that capture arrow keys.
http://codepen.io/Michiel/pen/ZbKbLo.html
http://codepen.io/Michiel/pen/ZbKbLo
http://s.codepen.io/Michiel/debug/ZbKbLo
Matt: so if we are going to
advocate this as a best practise, then I guess, this would
require a complete rewrite of the description in APG.
... we could take the first line from the ARIA spec and extend
that.
... would a spinbutton be something you would find in a
toolbar?
jamesn: for stuff like font-size, indent-size, etc
Matt: could you use a dropdown in a toolbar?
jamesn: as long as you use a pure
selectbox (so no combobox)
... I'll add a bug for toolbar
Matt: I don't mind writing toolbar
<jemmaku> so do we use div role region for tool bar?
Uhm, yeah that is what is there, but I'd have to have it checked more thoroughly.
I think Matt just gave it a quick once over
<jemmaku> ok
<jemmaku> thanks.
But that was what Bryan suggested during the call :)
<jemmaku> yeah
<jemmaku> I think it is a good idea.
<jemmaku> Thanks for scribing today
<jemmaku> I will talk to you later
Allows for quick access via keyboard
No problem! Was that the question you wanted to ask when you entered the que?
<jemmaku> it was about region role for toolbar
Yeah okay :)
<jemmaku> we can have sevral regions. right?
Yes
<jemmaku> multiple regions
Yep, you can have multiple; probably should limit it though
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