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title: DPUB-ARIA TF Weekly
tzviya: DPUB will sent feedback on http://www.w3.org/2015/08/extended-description-analysis to Michael (if any) by Monday
rich: ongoing conversations with
MS about Edge a11y issues
... there is no investment in IE11. It is being deprecated.
ARIA is dropping column mapping to IE11.
... there is a combo of MS active a11y and UI Automation in
IE
... Edge uses UI Automation as there mobile browsers do
... UIA has client side and server side
... I will work on DPUB-AAM with Joseph
janina: question about matrix
http://www.w3.org/2015/08/extended-description-analysis
... george asked to include item about implementation
complexity / what publishers will not accept
rich: it seems that publishers will not accept scripting, but they do for assessments. Why?
tzviya: publishers are not the
ones that do not support scripting. It is specific platforms
that will not accept scripting.
... Text book platforms are more likely to support scripting.
General reading systems are far less likely.
...Examples: ibooks supports limited scripting. Kindle supports
no scripting. All related to security issues.
... Many systems are working toward more scripting support. The
security concerns are not going away.
Janina: Is it clear from the matrix what works without AT involvement, what works natively?
tzviya: I don't think that's clear
Janina: if we do coalesce on <details>, we do have an extension mechanism that would get this in before HTML 5.1
ivan: would be very good to include a column that indicates whether AT is needed as well as a column indicating whether JS is needed
janina: all need for extension is a second implementation
http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/dpub-aam/dpub-aam.html#role-map-chapter
Rich: may run into problems when
exposing strings
... now, we indicate "Expose as text string 'chapter' in
AriaRole." the string "chapter" could present conflicts
... if we put the string "dpub-chapter", would want "dpub"
disregarded
... could also affect navigation
... We also need to know if will use posinset, etc from
ARIA
... not all components will be in DOM all the time
MAtt: could be useful, don't know how widely it will be used
RIch: if it's optional, what happens if it's not in place?
tzviya: how is that usually handled in ARIA?
rich: UA computes it, which could
be problematic
... because it is based on DOM
Matt: it will always be position 1 or 1
rich: so, this could be detremental
tzviya: what is next step?
rich: trying to lock down several
things by end of year
... let's lock down the roles in DPUB ARIA
http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-dpub-aria-1.0-20150707/
tzviya: we will add 10 or so roles to DPUB-ARIA
Rich: is there anything to add to master spec?
ivan: if we do that, won't we open ourselves up to the same issues that we faced a few months ago?
rich: is it confusing to publishers to have some terms with prefix, some terms without?
tzviya: based on past discussion, i think markus would prefer to avoid fracturing the vocabulary
rich: there is nothing to prevent people from using dpub- on a website
janina: the worst that will happen is that dpub-glossary works the same as glossary
tzviya: we are trying to avoid
people looking at 3 different specs when preparing files
... by next week we will get back to this group about whether
to move some terms to core, get started on additional terms to
ARIA
... and we are targeting end of year for DPUB-ARIA and DPUB
AAM
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