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<trackbot> Date: 13 August 2015
<Judy> scribe: Judy
JS: agenda mods?
All: nothing
JS: Canvas 2D update? No Rich yet. Deferred.
JS: Got comments on minutes from
CMN.
... he suggested we find some potential implementer before
FPWD
<LJWatson> JB: Think Chaals said implementors rather than implementor.
<LJWatson> ... Also that although it would be good to get implementor support before first working draft, it isn't essential.
JB: But it's a good practice, so let's ask
Joanie: Would be potentially interested, but would be concerned about time
JS: Would be good to get
confirmation of approach
... then next stage, some support in presentation engines in
webkit in mozilla
... we'd need to put it into the user agents first
lw: Multiple solutions to consider, then take it to browsers
<joanie> scribe: joanie
js: I do want to note that Charles corrected regarding the W3C repository for transcript.
lw: I saw that, but we still have
multiple options in the spec.
... One is marked as our suggested approach.
... I wonder if we should get to the point where the spec
contains only a single approach.
... The Media task force seems like a good place to start.
js: I agree.
js: I wanted to flag the task
force that there is a very deep requirements conversation going
on with DPub and ARIA.
... DPub has requirements for longer text description. This is
an ongoing conversation.
... We are taking a second look at all the various mechanisms
which have been, or are now, being discussed.
... To date, we haven't found a solution that addresses all the
requirements.
... But the old HTML details is starting to look like it might
work, though it's missing certain attributes.
... My recollection of why details didn't make it into the HTML
spec is lacking implementations.
... Anyone else know?
jb: I remember when that had been
suggested for this particular requirement, that people had
looked at it pretty closely and there were multiple problems
with the implementations, including screen reader compatibility
with them.
... Also the mix of information in it, which would impact
discoverability along with predictability of what would happen
when a screen reader encountered one.
... I would assume there has been sufficient time to address
the implementation issues.
... However my impression that the mix of information in the
feature and the discoverability are still issues as far as I am
aware.
js: That's why we're considering
the use of an ARIA role: to disambiguate the purpose of a given
details element.
... This is an FYI as much as anything, namely that it is back
on the table with respect to meet the needs of publishing.
lw: I don't believe those
browsers that have implemented details or summary don't support
accessibility.
... This is a few months out of date, so it's worth double
checking.
jb: I looked longer ago than that, but my recollection is that some of the information was exposed, but other information was not.
jb + js: This is why we're going to have a meeting in the next hour (scribe addition: In the ARIA task force meeting)
lw: I'll try to be there.
js: For the contextual record,
publishers are not finding longdesc sufficient because it only
applies to image. They would like something that can be applied
to any element.
... And while they are interested in annotations, that seems to
be further out.
lw: I just wanted to add a link for the html5 accessibility support (above)
js: I'm eager to move forward on this. But with people on vacation, etc....
<janina> Understand, Liam! Thanks!
jb: Liam is at a conference.
lw: Brian has been doing some work to update the prototypes.
<liam> [Liam hopes to do a new alt draft next week, but might be when I get back from CSS F2F so first week of September]
lw: Beyond that, nothing to report.
js: There are not enough of us
here to talk about this topic.
... As a reminder, please look at the proposed charters.
lw: Nothing to report this time.
js: We don't have any open items to discuss at this time
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