<trackbot> Date: 30 June 2015

<clown> agenda: this

<clown> issue=-708?

<clown> issue-708?

<trackbot> issue-708 -- The phrase "If not already excluded from the accessibility tree per the rules above" implies that the listed conditions do not override. Is that correct? -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/708

<scribe> scribe: joanie

Bugzilla-28816 (All) Some ARIA roles lacking explicit a11y API role mappings.

<clown> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28816

JS: This is a bug that Jason Kiss raised a while ago.
... Summary: He's noting that certain roles (banner, navigation, complementary, contentinfo, article and form) don't have any role information in the core mapping spec.
... I replied and said that information is in the xml-roles object attribute.
... To which he said we should give them a real role.
... Then I thought, how does an AT know to look at the object attribute?

RS: They look at role="region".
... Landmark is abstract, so what you'd need to do is use role="region". Then they'd look for more information.

JS: I did have a conversation with Joanie about this.

JD: Orca only looks at xml-roles when it "has to."

<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-banner

JS: It turns out ATK/AT-SPI2 already handles all of these cases.
... I put the URL in the room (above)

RS: Looking at banner... What does AT-SPI2? ROLE_LANDMARK.

JS: So Orca sees it's a landmark and then looks at the object attributes to see which one.
... For UIA Cynthia said to expose role grouping with a localized control type matching the AriaRole.
... I predict that in IA2, the role you get is based on the tag you use.

RS: We could add a ROLE_LANDMARK for IA2.
... (Tries test case in Firefox)

BG: What if you put a role="banner" on an iframe?

(Group ponders)

(Scribe shudders)

RS: AccRole is banner.

JS: In MSAA there is an AccRole field for accessible role. It's a string.
... According to the MSAA documentation, only known MSAA roles should go in that value.
... But Gecko puts "banner" as the value for AccRole.

RS: The accessible role is section for an actual section. For div it's also a section. For paragraph, it's a role of paragraph.

JS: What is the IA2 role?

RS: The AccRole in all those cases is banner.
... The IA2 roles are as I described earlier.
... And the xml-roles object attribute has banner.
... Do we want to create an IA2 role of landmark?

JS: Yes, but will it get done in the 1.1 time frame?

RS: It's a constant.
... I think it's an enum. Let me look.
... We could add a ROLE_LANDMARK at the end.

<richardschwerdtfeger> http://accessibility.linuxfoundation.org/a11yspecs/ia2/docs/html/_accessible_role_8idl.html#ae37ff81431ee3762a5d41a2cb909108d

RS: The URL above is the documentation for IA2 roles.
... I'm looking at the mappings to see how we can do this consistently.

<clown> Cynthia says: "For UIA, these should be mapped to the group control type with a localized control type that matches the aria role."

<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-region

JS: (Reads the mapping of region)

JD: Given that as Bryan and Rich stated, a named region is a landmark, we probably want to update the mapping Joseph just read.

<clown> http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#region

<richardschwerdtfeger> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#region

RS: I think there should be an action here to map region to landmark and then get Alex to add a ROLE_LANDMARK to IA2.
... Let's give Alex an action to add that to IA2.

JS: But that's not a W3C issue.
... That takes care of landmark, but there are other roles that Jason pointed out, like article.
... Article and form lack UIA roles.

<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-article

<clown> see the UIA entry. All it says is, "Expose as text string in AriaRole".

<clown> ACTION: Joseph to update the mapping spec for aria role region to reflect its landmark inheritance as defined in the aria 1.1 spec. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/06/30-aapi-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1667 - Update the mapping spec for aria role region to reflect its landmark inheritance as defined in the aria 1.1 spec. [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2015-07-07].

<clown> action-1667?

<trackbot> action-1667 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Update the mapping spec for aria role region to reflect its landmark inheritance as defined in the aria 1.1 spec. -- due 2015-07-07 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1667

(Group discusses some IE issues)

JS: I've given myself an action to do something about role region with respect to its landmark status.

<richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION: Action Add a IA2_ROLE_LANDMARK to IA2. This will tell ATS to look at the xml-roles value for landmarks [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/06/30-aapi-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Error finding 'Action'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/users>.

<richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION: Alex Add a IA2_ROLE_LANDMARK to IA2. This will tell ATS to look at the xml-roles value for landmarks [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/06/30-aapi-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Error finding 'Alex'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/users>.

<richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION: Surkov Add a IA2_ROLE_LANDMARK to IA2. This will tell ATS to look at the xml-roles value for landmarks [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/06/30-aapi-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1668 - Add a ia2_role_landmark to ia2. this will tell ats to look at the xml-roles value for landmarks [on Alexander Surkov - due 2015-07-07].

<clown> action-1668?

<trackbot> action-1668 -- Alexander Surkov to Add a ia2_role_landmark to ia2. this will tell ats to look at the xml-roles value for landmarks -- due 2015-07-07 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1668

<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-article

JS: The issue about article and form are just UIA questions.

<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-form

JS: Links above are for the mappings.
... How do you know it's a form? How do you know to go look at the string?

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