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<trackbot> Date: 19 May 2015
<dbooth> http://wiki.hl7.org/images/2/25/FHIR_RDF_Sample_side_by_side_comparisons.pdf
<dbooth> http://wiki.hl7.org/images/2/25/FHIR_RDF_Sample_side_by_side_comparisons.pdf
<dbooth> zakim ??P2 is Marc
<Marc_Twagirumukiza> Zakim ??P2 is Marc_Twagirumukiza
<dbooth> scribe: rhausam
<dbooth> http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=File:FHIR_RDF_Sample_side_by_side_comparisons.pdf
<dbooth> http://wiki.hl7.org/images/2/25/FHIR_RDF_Sample_side_by_side_comparisons.pdf
rob: brief report from Paris meeting - will do full de-briefing next time
david: will go to Tony's side by side comparison
tony: first section about
datatypes
... Github and subgroup examles for Coding
<dbooth> line 25 where it says ".coding" that will be a data-instance-specific URI?
<dbooth> sorry, the .coding is a predicate
tony: blank nodes nested inside
.coding
... complex types are represented as blank nodes - still
problems with processing FHIR special data types
marc: question about data types
<dbooth> marc: datatype for line 27? how to determine them?
tony: base ontology done - has all of the data types - in FHIR spec
<dbooth> tony: they're defined in FHIR spec.
tony: some of the reasoners don't
like the special data types - HermiT is OK
... section 2 - external binding of data type to terminology -
example from Grahame
... Grahame added extension for 'concept'
<dbooth> line 88 has added ex:concept loinc:54411-4;
tony: this extension is tough to
process
... section 2.2.3 (125-140) - the Coding blank node is replaced
by a singleton term individual
... instance which is called http://loinc.org/54411 - 4 which
is a pun for the LOINC class - also an instance of Coding
... interesting thing about the pun - when you put the label on
the class it also applies that label back to the instance
... if you import the terminology you will see the label
displayed in Protege - advantage of the pun
peter: text on line 132 does not match the text on line 139
tony: that is correct - there are multiple Codings in the CodeableConcept
peter: problem with the example text
tony: the example may not be
entirely correct
... if you import the SNOMED CT ontology the label will be
applied to the individual in Protege
... allergy example - lines 158 - 164 are 'substance'
... line 182 - AllergyIntolerance.substance
peter: SNOMED doesn't have individuals
tony: exactly right
<dbooth> line 201
tony: line 201 - declaration of
individual
... the SNOMED CT individual is named the same as the SNOMED CT
type
peter: in RDF can't have an object property with an association to a class
tony: agree - others on call also
agree
... puns are typically used for metamodeling - in this case the
individual is a member of itself
peter: did example come from Grahame? - it's clinically bad
tony: it came from me - agree that it's clinically bad
<dbooth> rafael, we're looking at http://wiki.hl7.org/images/2/25/FHIR_RDF_Sample_side_by_side_comparisons.pdf
tony: can change the example
<dbooth> peter: please change "Antibacterial drugs (product)" to "anti-lactam(sp?)"
<dbooth> line 203
<Rafael> should be "beta-lactam"
tony: object property assertions can only be to instances (individuals)
<Rafael> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%92-lactam_antibiotic
tony: important to have the
rdfs:label
... schema in line 213
<dbooth> line 213
<dbooth> line 232
tony: CodeableConcept - don't
have binding to SNOMED CT
... profile (Patient Safety Profile) - has restrictions on both
FHIR instance and the terminology
... line 232 - profile contains a restriction on the value set
of Substance
... line 241 AllergyIntolerance.substance.coding is defined as
a property chain
... line 236 - all of the codings must come from these
(restricted) sets
... line 245 - SNOMED CT RDF - this is what is pointed to by
these puns
<dbooth> rob: Like the punning
david: some concerns about the punning
<dbooth> david: I have some concerns about the punning, esp for ont defined by others
<dbooth> david: but we can show this style without punning -- using separate URIs for instance and class
tony: line 92 - shows instance with a different URI from the class (from Grahame)
david: think we will have some
difficulties with URIs
... URI for the coding system is arbitrary - declared by the
coding system
... if we do create a URI based on their base URI, then this is
"URI squatting" - may potentially be in conflict
tony: we may not be able to do this with anyone who hasn't declared a URI standard for their terminology
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