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<trackbot> Date: 14 May 2015
<scribe> scribe: nigel
nigel: Runs through the agenda. AOB?
group: No AOB
plh: We'll be pushed onto Webex
at the end of June. I recommend you don't worry about it for
now.
... In June I'll get the groups to move slowly across. There is
no need to move earlier.
... Once you move you can't move back!
nigel: We have no chair yet for
June 18 and June 25 so we could make the move in the first
meeting of
... July.
plh: I recommend waiting until July.
nigel: Does anyone want to chair on 18th and 15th June?
pal: If we have work to do then I recommend planning to hold the meetings and then we'll find someone
nigel: Okay, works for me!
action-385?
<trackbot> action-385 -- Glenn Adams to Remove stereoleft and stereoright from <bound-parameter> -- due 2015-04-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/385
nigel: Glenn has done this - stereoLeft and stereoRight are removed.
glenn: They're gone!
close action-385
<trackbot> Closed action-385.
action-402?
<trackbot> action-402 -- Nigel Megitt to Trim dotted lines out of pngs and edit test text -- due 2015-05-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/402
close action-402
<trackbot> Closed action-402.
action-397?
<trackbot> action-397 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Prepare cr2 transition version (after closing one remaining issue on imsc 1) -- due 2015-04-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/397
pal: I've just updated that and pointed to the CR2 branch on Mercurial
close action-397
<trackbot> Closed action-397.
issue-265?
<trackbot> issue-265 -- Some bad tests -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/265
nigel: This week someone asked on
stackoverflow about a timing test that seems to indicate that
the
... default dur for a content element in a seq container is
zero, whereas in fact it's indefinite, so I've
... added the affected tests to this issue.
... I answered the question on stackoverflow - the link is in
the issue. I really hope I got it right!
nigel: The status of IMSC CR2 is
that it has been prepared, with the same SOTD but a later 'do
not exit before' date.
... I think the next step is to request a meeting for
transition with the Director?
plh: No! I'd rather not talk to
the Director on this one. It's supposed to be lightweight. We
do need a
... transition request to be sent to chairs. That hasn't
happened?
nigel: No, nobody has done that.
plh: I'm willing to send the
transition request but I need the proper links and text. I will
need the links
... to where comments are addressed and the list of changes,
and I guess that's it. The rest I can take
... from the previous CR.
nigel: We have all that.
plh: Point me to it and I'll generate the transition request.
nigel: List of changes: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/3e1440f7f545/ttml-ww-profiles/substantive-changes-summary.txt
plh: I can generate the
diff.
... [looks at the list of changes] Okay, I have enough!
nigel: So even though we have
assessed the changes and decided that several of them are
substantive,
... we don't need a Director call?
<plh> http://www.w3.org/2014/Process-20140801/#revised-cr
<plh> plh: Quote from the process: "Note that approval is expected to be fairly simple compared to getting approval for a transition from Working Draft to Candidate Recommendation."
plh: No, you don't need it.
... Hopefully I can go through these changes tomorrow, and if
it's okay, the latest publication date
... will be Thursday next week.
... I can take care of fixing the date up in the CR2 draft.
nigel: Our view on the earliest exit date is date of publication + 4 weeks.
plh: Thanks for letting me know.
Action-403: [Meeting 2015-05-14] plh informs the group that a Director call is not needed.
<trackbot> Notes added to Action-403 Arrange director call for imsc 1 cr2 transition request.
close action-403
<trackbot> Closed action-403.
nigel: We've already covered action-402. Anything else to report here?
pal: Nothing to report
courtney: No update
nigel: Glenn, do you have a plan date for next working on the spec?
glenn: Nothing definite, probably a week or so between now and the end of June.
nigel: It'd be helpful to set a deadline for delivering editorial actions so that folk who have taken them on can know when they're due by.
glenn: I'd say end of June, but I can process examples sooner since they don't require too much effort.
https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/file/tip/ttml2/spec/ednotes.xlsx
nigel: I know from previous weeks
when we've looked at this that it's quite sparse - anyone else
want to
... take any of the editorial actions?
https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/5ee90ec0d897/ttml-status/index.html
nigel: How does everyone feel about this document - is it useful?
atai: It does make sense to have
such a document but it needs more work to explain the
contents
... of the document and the relationships of the spec. The
question is what kind of TTML profiles
... should go in there - just for W3C profiles or also those
from other groups? What is the aim?
nigel: It can be what we want it to be. There's no problem referencing non-W3C specs in a WG note.
atai: It's definitely helpful but I have no resources to work on it at the moment!
nigel: Okay, well we can keep working on it then and keep this open.
<Zakim> plh, you wanted to ask questions IMSC CR2 transition
plh: I need more on the story
here. Where did the changes originate - members or external
organisations?
... Also, for the changes that have been made, what kind of
review did we get on those changes?
... Even if they're substantive, do they affect the previous
review feedback?
... Firstly, where did the changes come from?
pal: They came from the issues filed on the document.
plh: Who filed them - anyone from inside the WG?
pal: I'll have to go back to the issues. Most of them were from within the WG.
plh: Okay. My second question is,
what kind of review can we claim on those changes or are we
confident
... that the changes are good enough.
pal: The resolution to those
issues has not been widely distributed. My personal opinion is
that the
... changes are substantive by the process, but they're
extremely limited in scope so I don't feel that the
... document has changed sufficiently to warrant the sort of
wide review that the document already
... has undergone to reach CR.
plh: Okay.
pal: FYI one of the issues was in
response to a late comment received during the CR transition
and the
... commenter was happy with it.
plh: Are you aware of any other changes where the commenter wasn't happy with the resolution?
pal: No
plh: Thanks, now I have my story.
nigel: I second pal's judgment
there on the changes being substantive but not needing further
review.
... They are worthwhile however.
<plh> transition request for IMSC: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2015AprJun/0095.html
nigel: I just want to check if there's been any update on HTMLCue and Opera?
Andreas: I had an action to kick off a gathering to discuss this issue. There's no progress to report right now.
nigel: Glenn, has any of your work resulted in areas of spec change to TTML?
glenn: Possibly - I've been
spending time on Ruby and text emphasis and how they're
formatted in the
... context of what we've implemented in order to handle the
multiRowAlign requirement by treating
... a span as an inline block with a different text align.
There are some subtleties of formatting that are
... not particularly well addressed in CSS that I'll probably
end up needing to articulate in the TTML2
... spec in order to make it more clear. For example the line
separation behaviour of lines that contain
... Ruby that potentially overlap, for example a Ruby below
line followed by a Ruby above line. Does the
... addition of the Ruby cause the line height to be changed?
Is that accomplished by adding leading or
... by changing lineHeight? In the process of implementing
formatting support I've found those. You can
... track that activity by going to the repository and see
what's happening.
<glenn> https://github.com/skynav/ttt/commits/master
glenn: We recently changed the
location of that repository - you can follow it if you're
interested.
... One side effect of this activity is we're generating a lot
of TTML2 test files that include these features
... here's a link...
... Those test files will be very useful when it comes to
creating a test suite for TTML2 I think.
<glenn_> sorry, dropped the line, will post link...
<glenn_> https://github.com/skynav/ttt/tree/master/ttt-ttpe/src/test/resources/com/skynav/ttpe/app
nigel: Thanks glenn!
... Thanks everyone, we'll meet again same time next week.
[adjourns meeting]
<glenn__> fyi, in the *.expected.zip files in this directory are rendered forms of the TTML in SVG