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<trackbot> Date: 06 May 2015
<kerry> present_ kerry
<kerry> present?
<BartvanLeeuwen> okay I can't get audio conference to work on webex
<Frans> What is the problem?
<BartvanLeeuwen> No audio device foun
<Frans> Bart, you are on Linux? I read you could try it from 32-bit firefox.
<BartvanLeeuwen> I'm not gona mess with that
<Payam> same here; I have to leave early
<kerry> scribe: mattperry
<kerry> scribenick: mattperry
<kerry> http://www.w3.org/2015/04/29-sdw-minutes.html
PROPOSE: accept last week's minutes
<Frans> +1
<jtandy> +1
<Linda> +1
<ebremer> +1
<aharth> +1
<Payam> +1
RESOLUTION: last week's minutes
<kerry> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
kerry: attention patent call
pthiran: professor of CS in
Belgium
... interest in GIS and context aware computing
<Frans> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/BP_Principles
kerry: principles should be high
level vision to guide what we prepare
... Ed has drafted something already
... please review it
... we do expect some non-functional requirements to come out
of use cases or be separately discovered
<kerry> ack
AndreaPerego: non-functional requirements are basically the same as principles -- specify what to do not how
kerry: example: spatial data on
web should be discoverable
... this is a principle not a requirement related to a use
case
<Frans> Distinction is not clear to me as well
AndreaPerego: difficult for me to
understand the distinction between principle and requirement
here
... my understanding is principle is what we want to acheieve
in general and requirement is how we want to achieve that with
spatial data
kerry: things should be linked to
other things is a principle
... all ontologies should be valid OWL is a non-functional
requirement
... to me it's clear but maybe not for others
... perhaps we can create a discussion around this topic on the
WIKI
<AndreaPerego> +1
<jtandy> web architecture http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/ ... "practice", "constraint" & "principle"
<Zakim> jtandy, you wanted to refer to the web architecture http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/ as an example
<ChrisLittle> +1
jtandy: web architecture adresses
a similar distinction
... this could be a guide for us
<jtandy> http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/#pr-global-id
<jtandy> http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/#pr-use-uris
jtandy: principle associated with practice
Frans: we all have our own ideas
here
... I would like to put these things in the glossary:
principles, non-functional requirements, etc.
<kerry> ACTION: frans to put some of these principles, NFRs etc into glossary [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/05/06-sdw-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-24 - Put some of these principles, nfrs etc into glossary [on Frans Knibbe - due 2015-05-13].
kerry: jtandy can you help?
<kerry> ACTION: jtandy to help with glossary [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/05/06-sdw-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-25 - Help with glossary [on Jeremy Tandy - due 2015-05-13].
kerry: if you're not sure put it on the principles page and we can discuss
kerry: on left-hand-side of wiki there is a tracker
<kerry> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/
<Alejandro_Llaves> +q on Bart suggestion
<Zakim> Alejandro_Llaves, you wanted to comment on Bart suggestion
Alejandro_Llaves: purpose of
spreadsheet was to show use-cases and requirements and for
submitters to check their requirments for completeness
... if you find something missing please add a comment
kerry: a lot of people have some
actions to check their requirements
... I have completed the action to go through headings of
spreadsheet to make text clearer
... there are still use cases that we have not been through
yet
<kerry> close action-13
<trackbot> Closed action-13.
<Alejandro_Llaves> Link to the spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PSnpJYQDgsdgZgPJEfUU0EhVfgFFYGc1WL4xUX9Dunk/edit?usp=sharing
kerry: the other way to close is
through a link on the wiki
... quite a lot of open actions
... Payam had action 20
Payam: I still need to do this
<kerry> close action-20
<trackbot> Closed action-20.
<Frans> Not 202, only 101 :-)
<kerry> close action-23
<trackbot> Closed action-23.
kerry: we also track issues.
There are a few things there
... example ISSUE 2
... this is about principles
... ISSUE 7 use cases should have data
Frans: suggest that we should use the tracker to raise issues for use-cases and requirements so we dont lose track of them
<SimonCox> Please can you confirm which forum to use to comment on issues.
kerry: that was an invitation to the group to raise things as issues
<SimonCox> e.g. where do I comment on http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/6
<Zakim> jtandy, you wanted to ask about using github issue tracker for issues with the deliverables themselves
jtandy: an alternative option is
to use github issue tracker
... can relate issues to pull requests
<SimonCox> +1 to github
kerry: I suggest that we use the W3C issue tracker because of integration with IRC, etc.
<SimonCox> Too many different issue trackers confuse workflow
<jtandy> e.g. https://github.com/w3c/sdw/issues
jtandy: integration with the minutes vs. integration with where you get work done should help guide the decision
kerry: issues can be managed with
the tracker
... I will raise an issue for this
<kerry> issue: would we use github for better inetgration with work/
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-8 - Should we use github for better integration with work/. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/8/edit>.
kerry: lets continue this discussion later
<Alejandro_Llaves> +1 on starting with W3C issue tracker and move later to github if needed
kerry: anything else about use case deliverable
<Alejandro_Llaves> +q on use case and reqs deliverable
Frans: it would be good to start
raising isses in the tracker. That's good enough for now
... for some clarity on what needs to happen
<Alejandro_Llaves> latest version of UCs and reqs draft: http://w3c.github.io/sdw/UseCases/SDWUseCasesAndRequirements.html
<Zakim> Alejandro_Llaves, you wanted to comment on use case and reqs deliverable
Alejandro_Llaves: from our side, we are progressing trying to add requirments from spreadsheet to document. This is a time consuming task
<SimonCox> My question was not answered - there is no 'comment on this issue' button on an issue page, so it is not clear where to submit comments.
Alejandro_Llaves: it's
progressing well
... finished with SSN requirements moving to Time
<SimonCox> (I removed myself from q so as not to undermine agenda, but my question remains)
kerry: I would like to ask if you could get some more help from the group
Frans: it would help if we raise our questions on the tracker, which will help force decisions
<kerry> ACTION: kerry to put ucr issues on every agenda [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/05/06-sdw-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-26 - put ucr issues on every agenda [on Kerry Taylor - due 2015-05-13].
SimonCox: looking at issue 6, how do I make comments on an issue
kerry: the discussed in meetings or in mailing list
<Frans> I have a ¨Edit this issue¨ link in the tracker
kerry: best thing is through email list
SimonCox: I could edit the issue but this is disorganized. Other systems allow a comment trace
<ChrisLittle> +1 to github
significant support for github heard
<jtandy> test: SimonCox referenced ISSUE-6 ... let's see if that's referenced in the issue itself!
kerry: contact chairs to be an editor
<jtandy> (seems not)
kerry: please tell chairs if you want to add a topic to a meeting
<Frans> Shouldn´t the URI of the issue be used? E.g. http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/2
kerry: time to start looking more deeply at relevant existing technologies in this space
<kerry> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/
kerry: use this link to make
speaking proposals
... probably 15 min talks
... plus 15 min discussion
... any questions or isses?
silence
<kerry> rrsagent. draft minutes
<ebremer> thank you
<jtandy> bye!
<BartvanLeeuwen> thx kerry
<IanHolt> Thanks.
<LarsG> bye
<ChrisLittle> bye and thank you
bye
<Alejandro_Llaves> thanks, bye!
<AndreaPerego> Thank you!
<ClemensPortele> thanks, bye!
<Payam> thanks, bye
<ebremer> bye :-)
<kerry> trackbot, end meeting