Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference

<trackbot> Date: 06 May 2015

<kerry> present_ kerry

<kerry> present?

<BartvanLeeuwen> okay I can't get audio conference to work on webex

<Frans> What is the problem?

<BartvanLeeuwen> No audio device foun

<Frans> Bart, you are on Linux? I read you could try it from 32-bit firefox.

<BartvanLeeuwen> I'm not gona mess with that

<Payam> same here; I have to leave early

<kerry> scribe: mattperry

<kerry> scribenick: mattperry

<kerry> http://www.w3.org/2015/04/29-sdw-minutes.html

PROPOSE: accept last week's minutes

<Frans> +1

<jtandy> +1

<Linda> +1

<ebremer> +1

<aharth> +1

<Payam> +1

RESOLUTION: last week's minutes

<kerry> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call

kerry: attention patent call

pthiran: professor of CS in Belgium
... interest in GIS and context aware computing

review priciples on WIKI

<Frans> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/BP_Principles

kerry: principles should be high level vision to guide what we prepare
... Ed has drafted something already
... please review it
... we do expect some non-functional requirements to come out of use cases or be separately discovered

<kerry> ack

AndreaPerego: non-functional requirements are basically the same as principles -- specify what to do not how

kerry: example: spatial data on web should be discoverable
... this is a principle not a requirement related to a use case

<Frans> Distinction is not clear to me as well

AndreaPerego: difficult for me to understand the distinction between principle and requirement here
... my understanding is principle is what we want to acheieve in general and requirement is how we want to achieve that with spatial data

kerry: things should be linked to other things is a principle
... all ontologies should be valid OWL is a non-functional requirement
... to me it's clear but maybe not for others
... perhaps we can create a discussion around this topic on the WIKI

<AndreaPerego> +1

<jtandy> web architecture http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/ ... "practice", "constraint" & "principle"

<Zakim> jtandy, you wanted to refer to the web architecture http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/ as an example

<ChrisLittle> +1

jtandy: web architecture adresses a similar distinction
... this could be a guide for us

<jtandy> http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/#pr-global-id

<jtandy> http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/#pr-use-uris

jtandy: principle associated with practice

Frans: we all have our own ideas here
... I would like to put these things in the glossary: principles, non-functional requirements, etc.

<kerry> ACTION: frans to put some of these principles, NFRs etc into glossary [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/05/06-sdw-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-24 - Put some of these principles, nfrs etc into glossary [on Frans Knibbe - due 2015-05-13].

kerry: jtandy can you help?

<kerry> ACTION: jtandy to help with glossary [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/05/06-sdw-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-25 - Help with glossary [on Jeremy Tandy - due 2015-05-13].

kerry: if you're not sure put it on the principles page and we can discuss

Actions and Issues

kerry: on left-hand-side of wiki there is a tracker

<kerry> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/

<Alejandro_Llaves> +q on Bart suggestion

<Zakim> Alejandro_Llaves, you wanted to comment on Bart suggestion

Alejandro_Llaves: purpose of spreadsheet was to show use-cases and requirements and for submitters to check their requirments for completeness
... if you find something missing please add a comment

kerry: a lot of people have some actions to check their requirements
... I have completed the action to go through headings of spreadsheet to make text clearer
... there are still use cases that we have not been through yet

<kerry> close action-13

<trackbot> Closed action-13.

<Alejandro_Llaves> Link to the spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PSnpJYQDgsdgZgPJEfUU0EhVfgFFYGc1WL4xUX9Dunk/edit?usp=sharing

kerry: the other way to close is through a link on the wiki
... quite a lot of open actions
... Payam had action 20

Payam: I still need to do this

<kerry> close action-20

<trackbot> Closed action-20.

<Frans> Not 202, only 101 :-)

<kerry> close action-23

<trackbot> Closed action-23.

kerry: we also track issues. There are a few things there
... example ISSUE 2
... this is about principles
... ISSUE 7 use cases should have data

Frans: suggest that we should use the tracker to raise issues for use-cases and requirements so we dont lose track of them

<SimonCox> Please can you confirm which forum to use to comment on issues.

kerry: that was an invitation to the group to raise things as issues

<SimonCox> e.g. where do I comment on http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/6

<Zakim> jtandy, you wanted to ask about using github issue tracker for issues with the deliverables themselves

jtandy: an alternative option is to use github issue tracker
... can relate issues to pull requests

<SimonCox> +1 to github

kerry: I suggest that we use the W3C issue tracker because of integration with IRC, etc.

<SimonCox> Too many different issue trackers confuse workflow

<jtandy> e.g. https://github.com/w3c/sdw/issues

jtandy: integration with the minutes vs. integration with where you get work done should help guide the decision

kerry: issues can be managed with the tracker
... I will raise an issue for this

<kerry> issue: would we use github for better inetgration with work/

<trackbot> Created ISSUE-8 - Should we use github for better integration with work/. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/8/edit>.

kerry: lets continue this discussion later

<Alejandro_Llaves> +1 on starting with W3C issue tracker and move later to github if needed

kerry: anything else about use case deliverable

<Alejandro_Llaves> +q on use case and reqs deliverable

Frans: it would be good to start raising isses in the tracker. That's good enough for now
... for some clarity on what needs to happen

<Alejandro_Llaves> latest version of UCs and reqs draft: http://w3c.github.io/sdw/UseCases/SDWUseCasesAndRequirements.html

<Zakim> Alejandro_Llaves, you wanted to comment on use case and reqs deliverable

Alejandro_Llaves: from our side, we are progressing trying to add requirments from spreadsheet to document. This is a time consuming task

<SimonCox> My question was not answered - there is no 'comment on this issue' button on an issue page, so it is not clear where to submit comments.

Alejandro_Llaves: it's progressing well
... finished with SSN requirements moving to Time

<SimonCox> (I removed myself from q so as not to undermine agenda, but my question remains)

kerry: I would like to ask if you could get some more help from the group

Frans: it would help if we raise our questions on the tracker, which will help force decisions

<kerry> ACTION: kerry to put ucr issues on every agenda [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/05/06-sdw-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-26 - put ucr issues on every agenda [on Kerry Taylor - due 2015-05-13].

SimonCox: looking at issue 6, how do I make comments on an issue

kerry: the discussed in meetings or in mailing list

<Frans> I have a ¨Edit this issue¨ link in the tracker

kerry: best thing is through email list

SimonCox: I could edit the issue but this is disorganized. Other systems allow a comment trace

<ChrisLittle> +1 to github

significant support for github heard

<jtandy> test: SimonCox referenced ISSUE-6 ... let's see if that's referenced in the issue itself!

kerry: contact chairs to be an editor

<jtandy> (seems not)

kerry: please tell chairs if you want to add a topic to a meeting

<Frans> Shouldn´t the URI of the issue be used? E.g. http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/2

kerry: time to start looking more deeply at relevant existing technologies in this space

<kerry> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/

kerry: use this link to make speaking proposals
... probably 15 min talks
... plus 15 min discussion
... any questions or isses?

silence

<kerry> rrsagent. draft minutes

<ebremer> thank you

<jtandy> bye!

<BartvanLeeuwen> thx kerry

<IanHolt> Thanks.

<LarsG> bye

<ChrisLittle> bye and thank you

bye

<Alejandro_Llaves> thanks, bye!

<AndreaPerego> Thank you!

<ClemensPortele> thanks, bye!

<Payam> thanks, bye

<ebremer> bye :-)

<kerry> trackbot, end meeting