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<trackbot> Date: 09 April 2015
<scribe> scribe: allanj
Open item 1
joseph - I would make changing states/values level A.
Consider any interactive UI such as a combobox, or a slider, or a live region. Surely it's a basic (level A) requirement that if the value of slider changes, or if a chat log changes (live region), then the AT is notified. Accessibility APIs support a whole raft of accessibility events. They don't just store role, states, and properties; they also send out notifications whenever these...
scribe: change. Here are links to changes supported by a11y API event systems: ....
Any UA that has a complete implementation of some a11y API service MUST have implemented the event model thereof. Of course, it's up the AT to decide which events it wants to pay attention to, but these 4.1.x rules apply to the UA.
jr: remove 4.1.6 bullet - Change state/value notifications as this is already covered in 4.1.2 as a A level
RESOLUTION: The change notification is covered in 4.1.2 as a level A success criteria. UAWG removed the bullet "Change state/value notifications" in 4.1.6 as it is redundant and at the wrong level.
<jeanne> https://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/work/wiki/Latest_Draft_of_Exit_Criteria
js: added "Each feature may be implemented by a different set of products, there is no requirement that all features be implemented by a single product. "
gl: +1
ja: +1
<jeanne> https://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/work/wiki/Latest_Draft_of_Exit_Criteria
<jeanne> http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-fonts/#cr-exit-criteria
jr: there are a few others - def of implemented, and def of independent that are needed
js: perhaps a need for
interoperable
... that is worth keeping.... interoperable - passing the
respective test cases
=== independent ===
gl: what about IE and Spartan...they are the same company.
jr: just use independent and don''t define it. use common sense.
ja: should we say
... "at least 2 different products"
gl: covered in bullet 2
ja: do we want to use def of implemented and independent
gl: interoperability - platform AAPI is outside the UA and necessary for all implementation. so breaks the interoperable def
js: GL 4?
gl: 4.1.1 covers
interoperability, 4.1.x is details.
... our test suites will find a tool that check the interaction
between the UA and AAPI -- msaa inspect tool
... interoperability in section 4 doesn't need to be
mentioned.
jr: we have test cases or procedures. if the UAs pass the test then we have implementations
js: the defs may convolute the process
RESOLUTION: UAWG approves latest draft of Exit Criteria - https://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/work/wiki/Latest_Draft_of_Exit_Criteria
close item 3
open item 2
<jeanne> http://w3c.github.io/UAAG-Implementations/Implementations-by-feature
jr: 1.1.1 at least 2 implementations for every item on list - https://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/work/wiki/Appendix_E:_Alternative_Content
gl: all must be done by 2 browsers with various extensions or settings
<scribe> ACTION: allanj to create a table (some mechanism) to track implementations for https://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/work/wiki/Appendix_E:_Alternative_Content [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/04/09-ua-minutes.html#action01]
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<scribe> ACTION: jallan to create a table (some mechanism) to track implementations for https://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/work/wiki/Appendix_E:_Alternative_Content [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/04/09-ua-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1082 - Create a table (some mechanism) to track implementations for https://www.w3.org/wai/ua/work/wiki/appendix_e:_alternative_content [on Jim Allan - due 2015-04-16].
gl: can we use user style sheets to solve these for @alt, @title, etc.
js: need to add the use of user style sheets to applicability notes, or definition of UA,
<Greg> But we should explicitly address to what extent user style sheets, or just the user style sheet mechanism, can be used to comply with SC. And whether this works even if the UA only supports a single user style sheet, which makes it unlikely the user could find an off-the-shelf style sheet that allows the UA to comply with a wide range of SC.
js: or part of plugin
all discussion of fallback content
<jeanne> https://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/work/wiki/1.1.1
jr: if there is not a mechanism for turning off or ignoring elements then ...
<canvas id="mycanvas" width="300" height="300">
Sorry, your browser cannot display this image.
</canvas>
<Jan> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/dom.html#fallback-content
js: find a better solution, table
with 20+ items...this is a bad SC.
... change wording.
... with ATAG when there were lots of items to test no one
passes.
ja: main issue is "fallback"
js: need a different SC for
fallback
... can't create new SC this late. how do we eliminate
'fallback'
<jeanne> http://w3c.github.io/UAAG/UAAG20/#def-conditional-content
jr: could add a note to eliminate fallback content
<Greg> Currently, our definition of Alternative Content implicitly includes fallback content (“Text that is programmatically associated with non-text content”). But we could exclude it through a Note or adding to the SC "(other than fallback content)".
gl: or parenthetical (fallback content not included)
jr: fallback is not necessarily text. an image could have video as fallback
<Jan> ACTION: JR to New note for alternative content, excluding fallback content [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/04/09-ua-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1083 - New note for alternative content, excluding fallback content [on Jan Richards - due 2015-04-16].
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