<trackbot> Date: 17 February 2015

<clown> agenda: this

<scribe> scribe: joanie

ACTION-980: (David) Define mappings for managed aria related states.

JS: David was going to work on this. I heard from him, he cannot come to the meeting.

<clown> action-980?

<trackbot> action-980 -- David Bolter to Describe/define managed aria related states: aria-setsize, aria-posinset, aria-level, focused, focusable with reference to section 5.5 bullet 1 of the UAIG. -- due 2015-01-27 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/980

JS: Anyone else want to discuss this?

RS: I don't quite understand.
... Ok, it basically wants to say how the browser manages these states if they are missing.

JS: The current text in the mapping guide is vague with respect to what happens if the states are absent.
... David volunteered to take this up.
... I periodically ping David; he's still working on it.
... It was raised, I believe, at a face-to-face meeting.
... David indicated he wants to come up with a list of managed states.
... I'll ping him again.
... We might still be able to get it in for 1.1.

ACTION-1104: (Cynthia) Define UIA mapping in section 5.5.1 when element does not exist in accessibility tree.

JS: Cynthia is not here (yet).

<clown> action-1104?

<trackbot> action-1104 -- Cynthia Shelly to Define what the accessibility API mapping is for UIA on aria-describedby in section 5.5.1 table when the element does not exist in the accessibility tree such as when css: display:none applies -- due 2015-02-10 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1104

JS: You can have an aria-describedby that has display:none on it.
... As far as UIA is concerned, this means the description doesn't exist.
... Other APIs allow you to expose the description text.
... I did see a number of emails about this about a month ago.
... I think Steve and Marco were encouraging them to use MSAA accDescription.
... But I believe Cynthia said they had some problems with that.

RS: In the past, perhaps due to poor documentation, people were misusing this property.

JS: Maybe what we need to do is fix the Microsoft documentation.

ISSUE-700/ACTION-1544/ACTION-1546: (Rich, Cynthia, David) Mapping of role rowgroup.

<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/accname-aam/accname-aam.html#accessible-name-and-description-mapping

<clown> issue-700?

<trackbot> issue-700 -- Discuss rowgroup, tbody, and thead in aapis -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/700

<clown> action-1544?

<trackbot> action-1544 -- Cynthia Shelly to Document rowgroup mappings for ie 11 for both uia express and uia -- due 2015-02-03 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1544

<clown> action-1546?

<trackbot> action-1546 -- David Bolter to Make sure the rowgroup mapping for msaa/ia2 is accurate -- due 2014-12-23 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1546

JS: This issue relates to action-1544 and action-1546.

RS: Let me see if I can get Alex to join us.

<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-rowgroup

<clown> action-1546?

<trackbot> action-1546 -- David Bolter to Make sure the rowgroup mapping for msaa/ia2 is accurate -- due 2014-12-23 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1546

JS: David said last week that he wanted to talk to Alex about it.

RS: I'm going to email Alex about it.

<clown> http://www.w3.org/2015/02/10-aapi-minutes.html#item07

<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-rowgroup

JS: (Reads from the above)
... MSAA and UIA Express expose the role as a property, which means there is an accessible there.
... IA2 exposes it as ROLE_SYSTEM_GROUP.

RS: Actually, that's probably ok, right?

JS: UIA exposes it as 'group'

RS: Which also means nothing.

JS: ATK and AXAPI do not map it. There is no accessible.
... I think the interoperability issue is if an accessible should be there at all.

RS: (Finishes email to Alex and CCs David)

<clown> action-980

<trackbot> action-980 -- David Bolter to Describe/define managed aria related states: aria-setsize, aria-posinset, aria-level, focused, focusable with reference to section 5.5 bullet 1 of the UAIG. -- due 2015-01-27 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/980

<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#statePropertyMappingGeneralRules

<clown> item 1 at that URL

(The above are related to the email being written)

<richardschwerdtfeger> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Feb/0054.html

RS: The above is the message I sent.

ISSUE-692/ACTION-1554: (Cynthia) Provide UIA mapping for role="searchbox".

action-1554

<trackbot> action-1554 -- Cynthia Shelly to Provide UIA mapping for role="searchbox" -- due 2015-02-10 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1554

JS: I was asking for mappings for the new searchbox role.
... Cynthia has not yet been able to join us.
... We've got a mapping for ATK/AT-SPI2.

<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-searchbox

JS: That's the only one so far.
... Cynthia, we're working on the mapping for role="searchbox"

<clown> action-1554

<trackbot> action-1554 -- Cynthia Shelly to Provide UIA mapping for role="searchbox" -- due 2015-02-10 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1554

<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-searchbox

CS: We would use the editabletext pattern and a localizable control type. So just like an input, but the string would say "search box".

RS: So I guess for CR, we're only going to test for English mappings.

CS: I'm updating the action now.

JS: When you're done, assign it to me and I'll put in the mapping spec.

ISSUE-692/ACTION-1556: (David) Provide MSAA/IA2 mapping for role="searchbox".

JD: Was this added to the email Rich sent?

JS: Nothing about searchbox or switch.
... The same thing (mapping for searchbox) is needed for MSAA/IA2.
... This is David's action.

ACTION-1564: (David) MSAA/IA2 mapping for role="switch".

<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-switch

JS: We have mappings for UIA and ATK/AT-SPI2. Not IA2 or AX API.

JD: I need to do a patch for the ATK mappings in WebKit.
... When I do so, I'll have to deal with the mapping for AX API, so I may be able to get us mappings for that platform as well.
... In which case I'll update James' actions.

ACTION-1104: (Cynthia) Define UIA mapping in section 5.5.1 when element does not exist in accessibility tree.

<clown> action-1104?

<trackbot> action-1104 -- Cynthia Shelly to Define what the accessibility API mapping is for UIA on aria-describedby in section 5.5.1 table when the element does not exist in the accessibility tree such as when css: display:none applies -- due 2015-02-10 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1104

JS: This is aria-describedby pointing to something with display:none.

CS: We're still working on it.

JS: I mentioned earlier that Steve Faulkner and Marco Zehe suggested accDescription.

CS: That's gone now.
... We're talking about adding something like it.

JS: So what do we want to do? Set the date further out?

CS: March 15th.

ACTION-1564: (David) MSAA/IA2 mapping for role="switch".

ACTION-1569/ISSUE-540: (Jason) Section of Core-AAM for AAPI differences.

<clown> action-1569?

<trackbot> action-1569 -- Jason Kiss to Create a section that describes AAPI differences -- due 2015-03-03 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1569

JS: This is something Jason Kiss wanted to do.
... He did do it, but it's on a special branch.
... The email was sent here:

<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/issue-540/core-aam/core-aam.html#comparing-accessibility-apis

JS: He's basically copied a note I'd written about ATK versus AT-SPI. Then added content about names and descriptions.

(Group reads)

CS: With respect to 1.3.1 there's a lot of differences between how UIA and the other Accessibility APIs work.
... For example, patterns.
... You can give me an action to provide some of this information.

<clown> ACTION: Cynthia to add to the section on differences among AAPIs highlighting the features of UIA. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/02/17-aapi-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1585 - Add to the section on differences among aapis highlighting the features of uia. [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2015-02-24].

<clown> action-1585?

<trackbot> action-1585 -- Cynthia Shelly to Add to the section on differences among aapis highlighting the features of uia. -- due 2015-02-24 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1585

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