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<trackbot> Date: 10 February 2015
<paulc> Discussion items suggested by Mark: Bug 26776, Issue 22, Issue 19 and Issue 16
<davide> :)
<paulc> Discussion items suggested by Mark: Bug 26776, Issue 22, Issue 19 and Issue 16
<paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Feb/0018.html
<paulc> Encrypted Media Extensions bugs:http://tinyurl.com/7tfambo
<scribe> scribe: joesteele_
<paulc> EME GitHub issues: https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues
paulc: have all of the bugs been moved to Github issues?
ddorwin: not yet -- bugs in both locations now
<paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26776
paulc: was there a specific reason to discuss?
markw: this has been on the table for a long time
<paulc> See David's last comment: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26776#c20
paulc: david do you know what you want to do here?
ddorwin: assigned to Jerry -- has
not added a proposal yet
... Chris Pearce has expressed a concern about the attribute, I
thought it made sense
... still waiting for Jerrys action
<paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26776
jdsmith: this is definitely on my plate -- I think we need an event but have not gotten around to defining the proposal yet
<paulc> ACTION on jdsmith to make proposal for bug 26776
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jdsmith: saw David has added acomment, but have not read yet
<paulc> ACTION: jdmith to make proposal for resolving bug 26776 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/02/10-html-media-minutes.html#action01]
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<paulc> ACTION: jdsmith to make proposal for resolving bug 26776 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/02/10-html-media-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-73 - Make proposal for resolving bug 26776 [on Jerry Smith - due 2015-02-17].
paulc: when can it be done by?
jdsmith: I will wrap it up by the 17th
<paulc> Discussion items suggested by Mark: Bug 26776, Issue 22, Issue 19 and Issue 16
https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/22
paulc: where do we stand on this?
<paulc> Issue 22: Provide more guidance on the behavior of the keyStatuses attribute
markw: this is one from previous
discussions on downscaling and statuses -- still an open
issue
... long post with lots of options to solve
... please review and give feedback
<paulc> https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/22#issuecomment-72681574
paulc: do you have a favorite?
markw: solution #3 is my preference. it is most straightforward
<paulc> Mark wrote: "Solution 3 is pragmatic, addressing the presently known use-case in a straightforward manner. It has the advantage of simplicity at the expense flexibility for future use-cases or for varying definitions of "SD", "HD" and "UHD"."
markw: this is very pragmatic version
paulc: any comments?
ddorwin: content dependent policy
is a hack and insecure
... not supported by all CDMs or especially hardware CDMs
... think we have a solution
markw: don't agree that this is a
hack -- it is widely used
... the keyIDs approach would break this model and fix it at
the wrong level
... this is the root of the disagreement
... whether these policies are appropriate at all
joesteele_: I generally agree
with Mark, I need to review his comments and David's and I will
respond in the next few days
... think the fake IDs fix is at the wrong level
<paulc> https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/19
https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/19
<paulc> Ensure promises returned by methods are fulfilled before event handlers are executed
markw: our devs are keen to know what the answer is here -- i.e. that the order is guaranteed
joesteele_: just read Chris's comment. I think I need to discuss internally a bit more, but should have an answer before next meeting
ddorwin: there is a related one
like this -- may be a misunderstanding about how to resolve the
promise
... even for the indiv case
... will clarify in the bug
... I think there is general agreement we need to resolve this
with the promise resolving first
... proposal should be drafted soon
jdsmith: we reviewed as well and
agree that the ordering is that promises should be resolved
first
... no objection
https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/16
<paulc> Review close() and remove() logic and behavior for persistent-* sessions
markw: we should address this as
a priority, now that we have a consistent persistent session we
should fully document how it works
... it should be possible but not guaranteed that if the
session is closed involuntarily that the key release is still
sent
ddorwin: there a bunch of related
bugs to the persistent- flags
... need to think about them all together
joesteele_: I agree with that -- need to think about all of these together
ddorwin: in my head they are grouped as "persistent-" -- they have close or remove in the name
paulc: Issues 16 & 18 then?
<paulc> https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/18
paulc: so if you work on these consider the other as well
ddorwin: 18 is mostly resolved but depends on 16
paulc: thanks Mark for the
list
... any other issues folks want to raise today?
<ddorwin> https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/29
https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/29
<paulc> Allow applications to check MediaKeySessionType support via requestMediaKeySystemAccess()
ddorwin: please read this -- it
affects detection and would be bad for folks not to support
this
... other bugs that have not been resolved -- map-like etc that
have not been commented on
paulc: the ammount of discussion
in the last week has gone up much higher
... what is the map-like issue is?
ddorwin: yes -- we need to bring
in WedIDL people to discuss that
... Issues 24 and 25 are two of them
<paulc> https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/24
<paulc> https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/25
<paulc> David is getting input from WebIDL experts
joesteele_: not sure I understand what the actual issue
ddorwin: it was similar-to not map-like so that was the issue -- need to get clarity
paulc: any other issues to raise?
paulc: David you asked about
publishing the registry as well
... some back and forth -- the editors need to decide how/where
to publish these
... please respond on the thread
... Aaron has not said whether the MSE doc is ready -- did not
respond there
... let's just publish EME if we can
... any problems with putting EME registry into dated-space for
now?
ddorwin: yes I would rather handle the separation issue first
paulc: then you should respond on
the thread, that we will do the same as last July
... publish with a pointer
... say exactly where you want to put
ddorwin: will do
paulc: BTW clicking the link now says the spec has moved (to the github) -- has it moved?
ddorwin: yes it has moved to github
dorwin: won't be an issue everything will be on github
paulc: the editors should not be blocked
ddorwin: currently all we need is a date and a place
paulc: propose we have another EME mtg next week as discussions are moving
ddorwin: will only have a couple of days in so hopefully others can get some stuff done
<paulc> We will meet next week on Feb 17 to discuss EME bugs and issues
<paulc> We are adjounred.
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