Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

26 Jan 2015

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Ben de Meester (bjdmeest), Markus Gylling (Markus), Tzviya Siegman (tzviya),Thierry Michel (tmichel),  Kawakubo (kwkbtr), Karen Myers (Karen_Myers), Rob Sanderson (azaroth), Dave Cramer (dauwhe),  Liam Quin (Liam), Paul Belfanti (pbelfanti), Charles LaPierre (clapierre), Alan Stearns (Stearns),  Deborah Kaplan (dkaplan3), David Stroup, Manuel Rego Casasnovas (rego), Peter Linss (plinss) , Mike Miller (MikeMiller), Heather Flanagan (HeatherF), Bill Kasdorf (Bill_Kasdorf), Madi Solomon (madi), Shinyu Murakami (murakami), Susann Keohane (skeohane), Julie Morris (Julie_Morris) ,mihnea, iank.
Phil, Ivan, Luc, Ayla


<trackbot> Date: 26 January 2015

<HeatherF> Ha! Figured out my first zakim instruction!

<tzviya> agenda

<tzviya> * Approval of last week's minutes [1]

<tzviya> * Use Cases for Houdini (Brady and Markus)

<tzviya> * Introduce and review Packaging on the Web [2]

<mgylling> scribe: mgylling

<tzviya> minutes http://www.w3.org/2015/01/05-dpub-minutes.html

approval of minutes from last week

Tzviya: minutes are approved

<liza> YEAH MINUTES!!!

<pkra1> those weren't last week's minutes?

<murakami> http://www.w3.org/2015/01/12-dpub-minutes.html

<Vlad> Sorry, I am on the IRC only today

<tzviya> Use Cases for Houdini (Brady and Markus)

use cases for Houdini

<dauwhe> https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout

Tzviya: Brady and Markus has been working on these

<pbelfanti> *Paul waves back to Karen :)

Brady: the update is I am typing right now… Markus did contact me and mention that we need to have these ready

<david_stroup> I'm 585.217

… I am updating some of the requirements, adding a few more

… and we need to pull out those relating to personalization

… working on pending action items as well

… still hasnt really been looked at by other implementors as far as I know, Markus have you contacted anyone?

… I am concerned, we should vet it before exposing to CSSWG

Tzviya: there are some RS and browser that I could expose this to if you are interested

Brady: I think opening this up for comments to any implementor is fine

<pkra1> +q

Brady: I will try and finish today, and then I’ll ping the list

pkra: for us at MathJax it is very interesting, simply because polyfilling something as complex as MathML […], the MathML WG may be interested as well

… re Houdini

Brady: Houdini has a very broad interest base

Tzviya: Brady, you said you’re working on the pagination AND personalization?

<dauwhe> pkra: have you seen https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout? Any ideas along these lines that would help with Math would be great.

Brady: I am just moving the personalization stuff, not adding anything new

Tzviya: we have personalization use cases already… [scrolling] …. I think we need to clean that up and combine everything

… Markus and I agree to take a look at this re cleanup, anyone want to help?

Liza: I can do it

<astearns> inasmuch as Houdini may need new hooks for runtime style modifications, it may open new avenues for personalization

Tzviya: we should have something to present by early next week

dauwhe: posted a link to part of the wiki mostly for techie people

… I have a tiny wishlist for DPUB at the bottom

<tzviya> https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout

<murakami> Printing is also usecase of Houdini.

<tzviya> http://w3ctag.github.io/packaging-on-the-web/

packaging on the web document

<tzviya> markus: we are looking for a review of the packaging for the web document

<tzviya> ... from the perspective of DPUB. It is an alrernative to zip and represents a proposal for multipart MIME

<tzviya> ...IDPF did have a version of multipart MIME, and it would be interesting to see a comparison of these versions

<liza> Skinnier jeans?

<tzviya> brady: the IDPF multipart MIME from 1999 was rejected because people were interested only in zip

<tzviya> ...it's a little odd that this came out without consulting the digital publishing community and asking what was needed

<tzviya> markus: perhaps now is the time for comments on ed draft

<tzviya> markus: the idea of native support in browsers is important

<tzviya> tzviya: perhaps the reason that this is relevant now is that there is interest in publishing not just "content", but information beyond content

<tzviya> ...such as data-sets, excel files, programming code...

<tzviya> ...and, as people read on mobile devices, zip is not the simplest option

<tzviya> ...Proprietary options are becoming available

<tzviya> dauwhe: I read the spec and concluded that I don't understand packaging

Tzviya: I also read through the spec, and was technically challenging… like with CFI, if there aren’t tools, it cant really take off

Dave: helpful if there was a guide for background

<tzviya> dauwhe: it would be helpful to understand why this is being done now and read some background material

<tzviya> markus: it would be nice to have 1999 version available for background

<tzviya> ...the authors in 1999 probably had publishing in mind

<tzviya> brady: I will send it out

<tzviya> markus: we will do a coordinated IG response

<astearns> I'll definitely review

<tzviya> reviewers: brady, dave, tzviya, alan

<tzviya> markus: 2 weeks from now, we will revisit Packaging for Web

<scribe> Scribe: Markus

Heather: will review i18n documentation

<tzviya> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/64149/DPUB-STEM-2014-12/

pkra: sent out an email with final draft of STEM survey, please take a look so that we rollout next month as planned

<pkra1> thx

<HeatherF> thanks

Summary of Action Items

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