W3C

Timed Text Working Group Teleconference

22 Jan 2015

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Attendees

Present
nigel, jdsmith, Frans-EBU, pal, andreas, tmichel
Regrets
glenn
Chair
nigel
Scribe
nigel

Contents


<trackbot> Date: 22 January 2015

<scribe> scribeNick: nigel

This meeting

nigel: I've updated the TTML2 timeline - see the agenda.

<scribe> ACTION: pal Update publication timeline diagram [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/22-tt-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-368 - Update publication timeline diagram [on Pierre-Anthony Lemieux - due 2015-01-29].

Action Items

action-363?

<trackbot> action-363 -- Nigel Megitt to Format and send itu-r liaison response -- due 2015-01-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/363

close action-363

<trackbot> Closed action-363.

nigel: I sent this to ITU-R and got an acknowledgment back. Thanks all for contributions.

action-366

<trackbot> action-366 -- Nigel Megitt to Review change proposal 14 in the light of closure of issue-10. -- due 2015-01-22 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/366

issue-10?

<trackbot> issue-10 -- Allowing pointers to pre-rendered audio forms of elements -- closed

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/10

nigel: The TTML2 implementation meets the needs of this CP for now, so I closed it.

close action-366

<trackbot> Closed action-366.

action-367?

<trackbot> action-367 -- Nigel Megitt to Review change proposal 27 in the light of closure of issue-303. -- due 2015-01-22 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/367

issue-303?

<trackbot> issue-303 -- Permit HTML-style <a> elements to contain href links -- closed

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/303

nigel: The TTML2 implementation meets the needs of this CP for now, so I closed it.

close action-367

<trackbot> Closed action-367.

action-360?

<trackbot> action-360 -- Nigel Megitt to Send liaison request on behalf of w3c ttwg to arib -- due 2014-12-18 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/360

nigel: I've prepared an update to the liaison, waiting for Daniel D of W3S to approve.
... And I've worked through how to send this, in conjunction with the contact from ARIB.

action-365?

<trackbot> action-365 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Review change proposal 21 in the light of closure of issue-229. -- due 2015-01-22 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/365

pal: I sent an email to the reflector about this, waiting to hear back from the Editor on this.
... So leave open for now.
... I saw that nigel had some comments on the approach to ruby, but the thread went quiet,
... so I guess you're happy with it?

issue-228?

<trackbot> issue-228 -- Ruby text support -- closed

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/228

nigel: This one's closed - I don't expect or need any further changes.

pal: What would the alternative be - to introduce new content elements?

nigel: Exactly - that's what Glenn wants to avoid.

IMSC Test Suite

pal: No substantial update this week - work in progress here.

Issues

issue-366?

<trackbot> issue-366 -- xml:id uniqueness needs to be broken for some uses of condition -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/366

reopen issue-366

<trackbot> Re-opened issue-366.

nigel: I expect this to be resolved editorially, by an edit to the style set processing, and by the
... documentation of the processing model.
... And by allowing IDREFS on region attributes.

pal: So there's a way to achieve what you wanted without duplicating xml:id values?

nigel: Yes, exactly.

issue-224?

<trackbot> issue-224 -- Support text placement in 3D coordinate spaces (not zIndex compositing). -- pending review

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/224

nigel: Glenn and I are still discussing this one.
... I wonder how 3D images should be handled?

pal: It's the same as text - it's the same image, but rendered at different horizontal positions.
... That's for stereoscopic rendering. This approach is limited to stereoscopic rendering.

issue-243?

<trackbot> issue-243 -- smpte:information (source material information) -- pending review

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/243

pal: I think we've covered this before - there's an Editor's note on this, but the definition isn't
... yet synonymous with the SMPTE definitions. There's more work to do to define the syntax
... of all the named items.

issue-243: Further definition of the syntax is marked as an Editor's Note - this issue depends on completion of that task.

<trackbot> Notes added to issue-243 smpte:information (source material information).

reopen issue-243

<trackbot> Re-opened issue-243.

issue-278?

<trackbot> issue-278 -- Tightening schema support for foreign vocabulary. -- pending review

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/278

issue-289?

<trackbot> issue-289 -- For TTML created for overlay on top of video, signal the aspect ratio of the video the TTML was created for -- pending review

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/289

atai: With XML Schema 1.0 I think there's probably no way to be more restrictive, especially
... for attributes.
... That's why Glenn's TTV tool does these additional checks.

nigel: Is it the general view that we do partial XSD validation and on top of that use special
... software?

pal: I think that's the only way. The right way to achieve complete coverage is with reference
... code or something similar, ultimately.

close issue-278

<trackbot> Closed issue-278.

issue-289?

<trackbot> issue-289 -- For TTML created for overlay on top of video, signal the aspect ratio of the video the TTML was created for -- pending review

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/289

nigel: He has a targetAspectRatio, but it's hard to tell exactly what the solution was here.

pal: I think aspect ratio is somewhat in flux.

nigel: I think the same goes for active format descriptor and intendedTargetBarData

atai: I need to review this more.

issue-364?

<trackbot> issue-364 -- Relax constraint between the extents of the root container and the dimensions of the related video object frame -- pending review

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/364

pal: The CR version of IMSC 1 did not permit the renderer to scale images, forcing the creation
... of multiple versions of the same image profile document, one for each target related video
... object resolution. That makes the job of the renderer easier, but the feedback, including
... from Simon Hailes, is that scaling by renderers isn't a big issue, but having a large number of
... images is more of a problem.
... Formally we can respond to Simon with this. I'll generate some additional test cases to cover this.
... The edit was deceptively simple: The sentence tying the tts:extent to the video object's
... size was removed.
... Also the following sentence was removed: "ittp:aspectRatio shall not be present if tts:extent is present"
... Now you can specify aspect ratio and tts:extent.
... And the scaling rules still apply that say that the rendering plane is as big as it can be within
... the video object.

jdsmith: I'd like to have a look at the complexity of scaling images.

AOB

pal: I see that there's been reflector discussion with the gentleman in Croatia.

nigel: I don't think there's anything more we can do there - we've provided all the help we can.
... It seems to be an implementation issue.
... Thanks everyone - we're back for an hour next week. [adjourns meeting]

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: pal Update publication timeline diagram [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/22-tt-minutes.html#action01]
 
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