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<scribe> scribe: janina
<tzviya> Agenda:
<tzviya> * Updates to DPUB-ARIA vocabulary [1] by Shane, Markus, and Tzviya [1]
<tzviya> * Steps toward authoring the module [2]
<tzviya> * Questions from DPUB about container elements (e.g. “answers”) (based on suggestions from Rich last week)
<tzviya> https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/DPUBVocabulary
tzviya: I've added a column for revised term
definitions
... A few questions ...
matt: Big question -- some of the main terms
such as "part" ...
... Concerned about implications
... Is it a problem to be too publishing specific in our terms?
<Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to ask about the wiki document and role mappings
Marcus: These will be part of our defined
ARIA vocabulary
... So, any term we use should also be generic
Tzviya: So a book will have several parts,
and each part will have several chapters ...
... Any concern for meaning outside of publishing?
Shane: Would it be OK for me to add yet
another column to capture the expected role parent for each term?
... Understand part -- I read ...
... What value to consumer?
Janina: Navigation
Tzviya: For pub/auther, helps us organize
our content
... We have xml for lots of atomized content, but need to aggregate
... So "part?" or "BookPart?"
Janina: Suggest to not over-worry possible clashes.
Shane: Agree
Rich: Are these updated?
Tzaviya: Some
Tzviya: Old ones still there for reference
Rich: Definite improvement!
Shane: Believe it's fine to have publishing specific terminology
Marcus: Point is that they have different accessible names
Shane: Is backward compatible, old AT will know section
Janina: So provides at least flat navigation with older AT
Rich: Asking about clashes with annotation
... ARIA now also looking at annotations
Ivan: I'm also a Staff Contact for
Annotations WG
... We're always talking "books," but our terms need also to be valid
for other pubs, e.g. "article"
Marcus: Tend to say "publication"
Tzviya: Anything else?
Matt: Are these one-liners defs it? Or is there an opportunity for fuller definitions?
<Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to ask if there is any importance to the order of terms in the wiki?
Tzviya: "no" to the question of order
Rich: "How will page breaks be handled?
Tzviya: Let's wait on that ...
Janina: Seems "skipable" is an attribute
Rich: Not sure how to understand HTML usage aspect ...
Tzviya: I think when we get to module ...
Shane: Seems, unless there's a compelling reason to restrict a role, we shouldn't
Tzviya: Summarizing ... We're updating defs, most updated and soon to be in wiki
Shane: has added a column re relationships to parent roles
Rich: Believe one reason to get these into
ARIA so HTML validator will validate
... It will be problematic to try and have the generic HTML validator
enforce these roles
... Rather, rely on epub specific validators
Matrcus: Yes
Rich: Should probably be clarified here
Ivan: Clarifying the concern is with reliance on the "HTML Usage" column ...
Rich: Yes
<Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to ask about how we should deal with new roles that are similar to existing metainformation terms that are not YET ARIA roles?
<ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab
Shane: above machine readable vocabulary
... Concerned about clashes
Tzviya: Had this conversation at TPAC, these may need rewriting ...
Shane: These are not currently roles
... Do we promote these to roles? Or some other categorization?
... Want to make sure whatever we do with these is done by intent
Rich: This is why we need a clear model
Tzviya: Clarifying, if I define a role not on the list, the native role will be invoked, and nothing breaks?
Rich: Yes
Shane: Just doesn't validate
<ShaneM> ... so scope it if you are worried it might ever conflict.
Tzviya: Recalling that container roles is important ...
Rich: Yes
... e.g. Does this publication have an "Answers" section?
... Suggest thinking of use cases
... Would someone want to navigate to one of these, e.g. to "Answers"
section
Janina: Suggests footnote use cases ...
Rich: Wants to know how footnotes handled
Tzviya: NoteRef is reference to foot/end note
Shane: Would "QNA" be legitimate
Tzviya: Would be a container that contained
both quests and answers
... Not yet sure we need to keep QNA
Shane: Asking about "pull quote"
Marcus: It duplicates content already on
page
... With a screen reader would come at a random location and not make
sense
Shane: So a role skipped by default?
Tzviya: Yes
Marcus: Will make this as complete as possible for next telecon
Shane: Send to me when you can so I can update for parent role