W3C

Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
08 Oct 2014

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Regrets
Chair
Janina
Scribe
JF, MichaelC

Contents


<trackbot> Date: 08 October 2014

<janina> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/meetings/tp2014

<janina> trackbot, start meeting

<trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference

<trackbot> Date: 08 October 2014

<janina> agenda: this

preview agenda with items from two minutes

<janina> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/svg-a11y-tf/work-statement

<JF> scribe: JF

Previous Meeting Minutes https://www.w3.org/2014/10/01-pf-minutes.html

preview agenda with items from two minutes

JS: any items?

Previous Meeting Minutes https://www.w3.org/2014/10/01-pf-minutes.html

RESOLUTION: Publish previous minutes as submitted

TPAC Agenda http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/meetings/tp2014

JS & RS discussion meeting with SVG WG at TPAC

<janina> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/svg-a11y-tf/work-statement

JS: Leaving Friday morning for CSS concerns, hoping CSS regulars will be able to join us then - no official overlap schedule-wise
... thursday meeting with Web & TV IG - have asked to have a firmer agenda (topics to discuss)

already a strong connection with this group in the past

other meetings scheduled for the first morning

after lunch is meeting with D-Pub folks

Have also invited Markku to join us to discuss testing (etc.)

JS: anything missing or needing more effort?

nothing important being missed

returning to web events topic

James N and James C both feel we should be approaching HTML WG regarding this (DOM related)

Q: do we want to request feature support for

Event Enumeration?

JS: propose we lay out the problem, ask for suggestions/solutions, offer some ideas, but leave with them to solve it

so, why do we want event enumeration? Primarilyfor testing, including across multiple environments

SC: want to review the mintues, but this sound right

JS: agreed, this surfaced earlier, but needs more discussion

CS: seems like we need to have the conversation about the Pros and Cons

RS: as discussed monday, this has been rejected previously due to security concerns

JS: SC has raised this before

CS: things that are hard but do-able are prime security targets
... what about approaching the HTML WG with the problem statement and ask for brain-storming

JS: this would off-set any push-back, so we bring them the problem and ask the for some input

{consensus on that approach}

JS: we will need somebody on our behalf to lay out the case for why we need this

CS: who has been suggesting this initially?

JS: not sure. Shane has been carrying the water to date

Believe the drive comes from Jon G - it relates to testing etc.

SC: Happy to write something up in preparation

JN: question the utility of event enumeration, doesn't sound like it is going to happen, but if they can come up with another way to solve this then great
... we are asking for something for a testing tool, this won't have an impact on end-user experience

that won't trump security

RS: if/when we go to device independance, then there may be some value

JN: there are already alternatives for testing. All of this is already accessible via the browser, but not from/for JS and the DOM
... there are levels of trust

CS: whether it is neccesary to catch this from the web-browsers is an open question

JN: adding a new hole will not be well received by security folks

RS: don't think that this is adding a hole. you can enumerate them without executing them

CS: maybe some kind of web component or browser extenstion

RS: with a lot of stuff going into CSS today... a lot of web-accessibility is being taken from the DOM. WE may want to think about how WCAG addresses compliance - look at interop layer

CS: agree there

RS: there is an issue - you can have an image, and add the alt text via a CSS _______
... maybe we need to look at this at a different layer

JS: needs more discussion. returning to TPAC agenda, we have a number of issues around CSS already

James CRaig has suggested to invite Tab Atkins and Fantasi

CS: suggest also inviting Rossen A. as well

RS: is WCAG going to be there?

(they are meeting Sunday/Monday)

RS: suggest they be involved as well

CS: one more suggestion about the events enumerations - involve components

JS: tend to agree, but Chaals keeps suggesting not them

CS: we could invite Ben Peters

JS: any other TPAC items?

Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open

action 1517

<MichaelC> close action-1516

<trackbot> Closed action-1516.

<MichaelC> close action-1511

<trackbot> Closed action-1511.

<MichaelC> close action-1512

<trackbot> Closed action-1512.

<MichaelC> close action-1508

<trackbot> Closed action-1508.

<MichaelC> close action-1500

<trackbot> Closed action-1500.

<MichaelC> close action-1502

<trackbot> Closed action-1502.

Both JN and CS have comments about fixed zoom

new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html#tr_LCWD

<MichaelC> XSL Transformations (XSLT) Version 3.0

MC: only one LC

CS: is anyone still using that?

MC: it isn't usually related to front-end, but can have an a11y impact

<MichaelC> Media Capture Depth Stream Extensions

JS: we could ask them for a more human-readable abstract: what does it do and what are the use-cases?

CS: that's a reasonable ask

JF: suggest we watch this one - may be interested

CS: have they considered how to make this work for people who lack depth-perception

MC: that may be a non-question at this time, we don't know
... will draft a response

<MichaelC> Selection API

MC: this appears to be a follow-on from an earlier attempt - needs editorial work

This originates from a Community Group

MC: not sure about next steps

JS: this is related to WebApps - they have previously asked us to flag things that need work in the past - they are open to hear from us

(concern about the fact that it is also written in first-person)

<MichaelC> ACTION: joanie to draft comment on Selection API http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-selection-api-20141007/ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/10/08-pf-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1518 - Draft comment on selection api http://www.w3.org/tr/2014/wd-selection-api-20141007/ [on Joanmarie Diggs - due 2014-10-15].

<MichaelC> scribe: MichaelC

Joanie to prepare comment, Michael to request clearer frontmatter

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: joanie to draft comment on Selection API http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-selection-api-20141007/ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/10/08-pf-minutes.html#action01]
 
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