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<trackbot> Date: 29 September 2014
<richardschwerdtfeger> meeting: W3C WAI-PF ARIA Caucus
<richardschwerdtfeger> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Sep/0104.html
<clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/Teleconference_cheat_sheet
<richardschwerdtfeger> scribe: fesch
<scribe> scribe: fesch
<richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1349
jcraig: has been missing, but still working on actions
T: Topic tracking of user agent spec on aria1.1
ok
MichaelC: Wants to wait until TPAC to get list... can make wiki of known defects
rich: wants to open defects before TPAC
<Zakim> Joseph_Scheuhammer, you wanted to ask how defects are found — are there 1.1 test cases?
Joseph: clarifies - these are potential defects as there are no test cases
MichaelC: Plan to continue using murcurial test harness
<clown> issue-623?
<trackbot> issue-623 -- Consider aria-inert for disambiguation of modal states (re: html|*@inert) -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/623
MichaelC: can close action, has feedback
RESOLUTION: close action 1461
Open actions and issues:
<clown> action-1486?
<trackbot> action-1486 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Inspect webkit backwards-compatibility regarding aria-setsize="999+" format for issue-397 -- due 2014-09-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1486
Joanie" is editing, needs changes in webkit, will break older browsers
<joanie> http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/Source/WebCore/accessibility/AccessibilityObject.cpp#L2035
<richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1486
<MichaelC> ARIA Implementation Issums
Joanie: needs to convert to an int from string
<clown> http://localhost/~clown/GitHub/aria/implementation/aria-implementation.html#ariaSetsize
<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#ariaSetsize
<clown> issue-397?
<trackbot> issue-397 -- Need a way to specify an indeterminate set size -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/397
joanie: aria-setsize="999+" , not liking the plus
joseph: need a way to have indeterinate size
<Stefan> -q
rich: could use negative number
jm: information to provide there is at least x number of items
matt: what is the value of that?
rich: why redo the APIs?
jm: need to use -1 instead
RESOLUTION: use a -1 value means unknown setsize
1486: can be closed
<jcraig> unknown setsize is the default
joanie: -1 is the conventional value
<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/spec/aria.html#aria-setsize
<jcraig> What about aria-setsizemin or aria-minsetsize instead? This is about sets that are *at least* as big as a known number, but known to be larger.
<Stefan> progressbar indeterminate
<Stefan> status -1?
<Zakim> Joseph_Scheuhammer, you wanted to point out jcraig's irc suggestion.
rich: does not want to introduce another change to the platform unless it is necessary
joseph: looking at mapping...
<Stefan> -q
cynthia: thinks a negative number is better than converting to a string
<clown> 1 based, 0 indicates that this value is not applicable
<Stefan> +q
clown: group position is 1 based... all three values are 1 based no room for negative value
rich: easier to change a value
than introduce a new attribute
... do people want to use -1 and get buy in?
cyntihia: have buy in
<clown> AXARIASetSize: <value>
<Stefan> I just want to add that we have at least two different concepts for indeterminate, in progressbar role we OMIT aria-valuenow to express that is indeterminate
rich: lets go with a value of -1 and see if this works for Alex and IA2?
Stephen: we have two different approaches to indeterminate
<Stefan> -q
Stephan: progress bar (omit) is indeterminate, now this would add a second form of indeterminate
cynthia: better to have a explicit value, omit may be an author error
rich: testing may fail with ommitting...
cynthia: believes Alex and IA2 will accept -1
<joanie> fesch: that was me
s/cyntia/joanie/
<clown> s/cynthia: believes Alex and IA2 will accept −1/joanie: believes Alex and IA2 will accept −1/
<richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION: Joanie Speak with Alex Surkov to get approval for aria-setsize taking a value of -1 to mean indeterminate. This will effect GroupPosition. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/29-aria-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1514 - Speak with alex surkov to get approval for aria-setsize taking a value of -1 to mean indeterminate. this will effect groupposition. [on Joanmarie Diggs - due 2014-10-06].
<clown> action-1423?
<trackbot> action-1423 -- Cynthia Shelly to Ask developers about group, none, and generic roles and whether it would be helpful for implementatation of e.g., narrator -- due 2014-09-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1423
cynthia: needs two more weeks on action-1423
<clown> action-1423?
<trackbot> action-1423 -- Cynthia Shelly to Ask developers about group, none, and generic roles and whether it would be helpful for implementatation of e.g., narrator -- due 2014-10-13 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1423
<richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1462
cynthia: needs 2 more weeks on action 1462
<clown> action-1490
<trackbot> action-1490 -- James Nurthen to Propose spec text edit for issue-610: comboboxes should allow complex children elements -- due 2014-07-28 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1490
<richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1490
<clown> issue-610
<trackbot> issue-610 -- Comboboxes should allow complex children elements -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/610
jamesn: needs another week
<clown> action-1505
<trackbot> action-1505 -- Matthew King to Create proposal for a role and strategy to address issue 633 -- due 2014-09-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1505
<clown> issue-633
<trackbot> issue-633 -- listbox and tree may contain only static items; badly need interactive widgets that can contain interactive typed items -- raised
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/633
matt: working on 1346
... needs 2 more weeks
... have duplicate actions
<clown> action-1346
<trackbot> action-1346 -- Matthew King to Propose edit to dialog role to clarify issue that leads to bad implementation -- due 2014-09-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1346
<mattking> A dialog is an application window that is designed to interrupt the current processing of an application in order to prompt the user to enter information
<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/spec/aria.html#dialog
<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/spec/aria.html#window
matt: wanted to delete the word application to avoid confusion with role application
rich: disambiguate application role from application usage in defintions
matt: danger in using normative
words with different use
... should write a note for the window role
rich: 2 options on table
role = application, vendors get confused
option: remove word
application
... add note
joanie: both OK
matt: was concerned about normative uses of a word and the more generic use of the term
rich: matt to come up with modification to dialog and window
matt: will have something next week
<clown> action-1470?
<trackbot> action-1470 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Draft introductions for aria 1.1, core-aam 1.1, and svg-aam 1.1 -- due 2014-07-07 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1470
action-1493?
<trackbot> action-1493 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Propose spec text allowing ¨implicit value for role¨ to provide default values for required properties -- due 2014-09-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1493
<richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1493
joseph: needs another week
<clown> action-1442
<trackbot> action-1442 -- Léonie Watson to Create spec. text for aria-currentfor="IDREF" and aria-current="true/false", related to issue-587 -- due 2014-05-26 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1442
rich: Leonie has not been around
for a while, can Bryan take it?
... do we need true and false?
<clown> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Sep/0087.html
brian: gave examples where aria-current may have useful true/false values
matt: need language how current is different than selected
rich: brian please go back to Leonie and get original use cases
<richardschwerdtfeger> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2014AprJun/0115.html
matt: Bryan's not requires aria context
rich: Bryan please get back with Leonie to see which roles does this apply to - new date 13th!!!
Zakin, bye
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