<trackbot> Date: 29 September 2014

<richardschwerdtfeger> meeting: W3C WAI-PF ARIA Caucus

<richardschwerdtfeger> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Sep/0104.html

<clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/Teleconference_cheat_sheet

<richardschwerdtfeger> scribe: fesch

Action 1349

<scribe> scribe: fesch

<richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1349

jcraig: has been missing, but still working on actions

T: Topic tracking of user agent spec on aria1.1

tracking of user agent spec on aria1.1

ok

MichaelC: Wants to wait until TPAC to get list... can make wiki of known defects

rich: wants to open defects before TPAC

<Zakim> Joseph_Scheuhammer, you wanted to ask how defects are found — are there 1.1 test cases?

Joseph: clarifies - these are potential defects as there are no test cases

MichaelC: Plan to continue using murcurial test harness

<clown> issue-623?

<trackbot> issue-623 -- Consider aria-inert for disambiguation of modal states (re: html|*@inert) -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/623

MichaelC: can close action, has feedback

RESOLUTION: close action 1461

Open actions and issues:

<clown> action-1486?

<trackbot> action-1486 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Inspect webkit backwards-compatibility regarding aria-setsize="999+" format for issue-397 -- due 2014-09-29 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1486

Joanie" is editing, needs changes in webkit, will break older browsers

<joanie> http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/Source/WebCore/accessibility/AccessibilityObject.cpp#L2035

<richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1486

<MichaelC> ARIA Implementation Issums

Joanie: needs to convert to an int from string

<clown> http://localhost/~clown/GitHub/aria/implementation/aria-implementation.html#ariaSetsize

<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#ariaSetsize

<clown> issue-397?

<trackbot> issue-397 -- Need a way to specify an indeterminate set size -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/397

joanie: aria-setsize="999+" , not liking the plus

joseph: need a way to have indeterinate size

<Stefan> -q

rich: could use negative number

jm: information to provide there is at least x number of items

matt: what is the value of that?

rich: why redo the APIs?

jm: need to use -1 instead

RESOLUTION: use a -1 value means unknown setsize

1486: can be closed

<jcraig> unknown setsize is the default

joanie: -1 is the conventional value

<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/spec/aria.html#aria-setsize

<jcraig> What about aria-setsizemin or aria-minsetsize instead? This is about sets that are *at least* as big as a known number, but known to be larger.

<Stefan> progressbar indeterminate

<Stefan> status -1?

<Zakim> Joseph_Scheuhammer, you wanted to point out jcraig's irc suggestion.

rich: does not want to introduce another change to the platform unless it is necessary

joseph: looking at mapping...

<Stefan> -q

cynthia: thinks a negative number is better than converting to a string

<clown> http://accessibility.linuxfoundation.org/a11yspecs/ia2/docs/html/interface_i_accessible2.html#a94d4d84e000ef2fa3f2abf1148779941

<clown> 1 based, 0 indicates that this value is not applicable

<Stefan> +q

clown: group position is 1 based... all three values are 1 based no room for negative value

rich: easier to change a value than introduce a new attribute
... do people want to use -1 and get buy in?

cyntihia: have buy in

<clown> AXARIASetSize: <value>

<Stefan> I just want to add that we have at least two different concepts for indeterminate, in progressbar role we OMIT aria-valuenow to express that is indeterminate

rich: lets go with a value of -1 and see if this works for Alex and IA2?

Stephen: we have two different approaches to indeterminate

<Stefan> -q

Stephan: progress bar (omit) is indeterminate, now this would add a second form of indeterminate

cynthia: better to have a explicit value, omit may be an author error

rich: testing may fail with ommitting...

cynthia: believes Alex and IA2 will accept -1

<joanie> fesch: that was me

s/cyntia/joanie/

<clown> s/cynthia: believes Alex and IA2 will accept −1/joanie: believes Alex and IA2 will accept −1/

<clown> http://accessibility.linuxfoundation.org/a11yspecs/ia2/docs/html/interface_i_accessible2.html#a94d4d84e000ef2fa3f2abf1148779941

<richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION: Joanie Speak with Alex Surkov to get approval for aria-setsize taking a value of -1 to mean indeterminate. This will effect GroupPosition. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/29-aria-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1514 - Speak with alex surkov to get approval for aria-setsize taking a value of -1 to mean indeterminate. this will effect groupposition. [on Joanmarie Diggs - due 2014-10-06].

<clown> action-1423?

<trackbot> action-1423 -- Cynthia Shelly to Ask developers about group, none, and generic roles and whether it would be helpful for implementatation of e.g., narrator -- due 2014-09-29 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1423

cynthia: needs two more weeks on action-1423

<clown> action-1423?

<trackbot> action-1423 -- Cynthia Shelly to Ask developers about group, none, and generic roles and whether it would be helpful for implementatation of e.g., narrator -- due 2014-10-13 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1423

<richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1462

cynthia: needs 2 more weeks on action 1462

<clown> action-1490

<trackbot> action-1490 -- James Nurthen to Propose spec text edit for issue-610: comboboxes should allow complex children elements -- due 2014-07-28 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1490

<richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1490

<clown> issue-610

<trackbot> issue-610 -- Comboboxes should allow complex children elements -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/610

jamesn: needs another week

<clown> action-1505

<trackbot> action-1505 -- Matthew King to Create proposal for a role and strategy to address issue 633 -- due 2014-09-29 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1505

<clown> issue-633

<trackbot> issue-633 -- listbox and tree may contain only static items; badly need interactive widgets that can contain interactive typed items -- raised

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/633

matt: working on 1346
... needs 2 more weeks
... have duplicate actions

<clown> action-1346

<trackbot> action-1346 -- Matthew King to Propose edit to dialog role to clarify issue that leads to bad implementation -- due 2014-09-29 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1346

<mattking> A dialog is an application window that is designed to interrupt the current processing of an application in order to prompt the user to enter information

<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/spec/aria.html#dialog

<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/spec/aria.html#window

matt: wanted to delete the word application to avoid confusion with role application

rich: disambiguate application role from application usage in defintions

matt: danger in using normative words with different use
... should write a note for the window role

rich: 2 options on table

role = application, vendors get confused

option: remove word application
... add note

joanie: both OK

matt: was concerned about normative uses of a word and the more generic use of the term

rich: matt to come up with modification to dialog and window

matt: will have something next week

<clown> action-1470?

<trackbot> action-1470 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Draft introductions for aria 1.1, core-aam 1.1, and svg-aam 1.1 -- due 2014-07-07 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1470

action-1493?

<trackbot> action-1493 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Propose spec text allowing ¨implicit value for role¨ to provide default values for required properties -- due 2014-09-29 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1493

<richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1493

joseph: needs another week

<clown> action-1442

<trackbot> action-1442 -- Léonie Watson to Create spec. text for aria-currentfor="IDREF" and aria-current="true/false", related to issue-587 -- due 2014-05-26 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1442

rich: Leonie has not been around for a while, can Bryan take it?
... do we need true and false?

<clown> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Sep/0087.html

brian: gave examples where aria-current may have useful true/false values

matt: need language how current is different than selected

rich: brian please go back to Leonie and get original use cases

<richardschwerdtfeger> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2014AprJun/0115.html

matt: Bryan's not requires aria context

rich: Bryan please get back with Leonie to see which roles does this apply to - new date 13th!!!

Zakin, bye

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Default Present: Fred_Esch, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, janina, Michael_Cooper, Matt_King, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Joanmarie_Diggs, James_Nurthen, Jon_Gunderson
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Found Date: 29 Sep 2014
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