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Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
09 Sep 2014

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Attendees

Present
Joseph_Scheuhammer, Joanmarie_Diggs, Bryan_Garaventa, davidb, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
Regrets
Cynthia_Shelley
Chair
Joseph_Scheuhammer
Scribe
davidb

Contents


<trackbot> Date: 09 September 2014

<clown> agenda: this

<clown> scribenick: davidb

RS: did I see David Bolter is a scribe!?

News: ACTION-1506:(All) Joseph to create editors draft of name/description computation document in github.

<clown> action-1506?

<trackbot> action-1506 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Create editors draft of name/description computation document in github -- due 2014-09-15 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1506

JS: my focus here is to get this into its own document, then text can be clarified.

RS: steve could help here

<richardschwerdtfeger> http://www.w3.org/TR/html-aapi/#accessible-name-and-description-calculation

DB: are you looking to abstract this?

RS: abstract and then give concrete language for host language

(RS working on SVG)

JD: I'm fine with that

DB: some broad stroke sentences might help at the beginning yeah

<clown> http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-wai-aria-implementation-20090224/#mapping_special_te

that is a link to the original (aaronlev) algorithm style text

JS: I think it is Aaron Leventhal's

RS: step by step is important

JD: seeing examples is useful are there official w3c tests?

JS: yep

<clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases?testsuite_id=1

<clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness

JS: there are the tests etc for ARIA 1.0

<Zakim> Joanmarie_Diggs, you wanted to ask if there are existing tests for this?

ACTION-980: (David) Define mappings for managed aria related states.

<clown> action-980?

<trackbot> action-980 -- David Bolter to Define mappings for managed aria related states: aria-setsize, aria-posinset, aria-level, focused, focusable with reference to section 5.5 bullet 1 of the UAIG. -- due 2014-08-22 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/980

discussion about visibility

http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_visibility

<clown> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Accessibility/AT-APIs/MSAA/States

JS: move this to its own section, list the managed states with pointers into the document where already described

(bullet 1 text)

Request from Rich: Discuss when to expose SVG objects in the absence of ARIA attributes.

<richardschwerdtfeger> https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/struct.html#WAIARIAAttributes

RS: this is about once you apply the aria role ...
... in 5.3. though there are implicit semantics

(looking at circle)

RS: trying to make sure a11y tree doesn't get too fat
... in webkit they said, if you put a tite, desc, or aria-label*, you get a group role (in absence of specified aria role)
... should aria-describedby trigger a group role

title and desc are global native

DB: my hands aren't dirty enough here

<clown> <circle … aria-describedby="id"> <span id="id">This is???</span>

<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#mapping_additional_relations

<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#ariaDescribedBy

(circle should be in the tree in this case)

(discussion of "none" role)

proceeding with 'none' over deprecated 'presentation'

time check

Summary of Action Items

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